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Phin
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 10:20:52 AM
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Another coat in the bilge

Trimming front of console base



Grinding console base and splashwell






A little sanding under the bow


Shooting putty into the gaps between bulkheads and hose conduits






One last dry fit

Foam for under the cockpit fishboxes

Too much at once

Mistake learned from and port side done in small batches






Trimming the overfill on the stbd side



Small batch to fill the gap and liner put in


Some methacrylate in the stringer-liner joints to tab them in place



Cutting the sonar and controls wiring chases flush and puttying them








New shop mascot (only 2 inches long)

Putty


More putty


How to solve this problem



















Back corners also








Dry fit


Glassing back side




Puttying around fuel conduit and opposite side


Cleaning up and puttying conduit area





Glassing



Methacrylating reinforcement plates under deck for T top bases


Dry fitting fuel tank



Methacrylate holding mounting pads

Clean up time


Ready for foam

Foaming




Fuel tank is now in


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ssggb22
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 10:51:14 AM
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I started reading your posts this past week and I have to say it has been very interested reading of were you started and were you at now (the pictures are awsome) on this MAJOR project. Your boat is going to be one mean fishing machine.. You are going to have to have a big launch ceremony (like when the Navy has when they launch a new ship).. I tell you what I would be there to see you launch it and I would have to say that most people who has been following this post would also be there... Thanks for sharing your project on here and I can't wait to see the finish product...
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pescazorro
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 10:59:30 AM
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Maybe its an optical illussion but is the fuel inlet on the top of your tank not higher than where your fuel coduit comes out in the boat? Wont that make it difficult to fill? Perhaps gurgling?
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Phin
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 11:22:51 AM
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Zorro, This issue actually took a whole lot of thought, and I went with the best possible setup I could make work. One option would have been to do separate conduits for the vent line and fill line. I decided against that because it would have actually made for even more difficulty to change out the fill hose in the future because it would be a smaller conduit to work with.
The single fuel lines conduit shown above is as high as it could go with drainage from front boxes staying as high as deck height as possible, i.e. not below the waterline. I would have liked it just a tad higher, but it isn't possible without having drainage from the fwd seating on the port side dip down below the waterline. (drain line is above the fuel conduit directly below the deck now) I wanted all my drains above the waterline except the console interior and bilge, so the fuel conduit had to go where it is. I couldn't figure out any different way to do it without going to a smaller I.D. conduit, and that would defeat the whole purpose of having a conduit IMO.
There won't be a fuel fill problem because the conduit has a slight downward, and backward, slope to it from under the gunnel to the stringer. The conduit is 3" I.D. so although the bottom of where it goes through the stringer is 1/2" lower than the top of the tank, the hose won't have that dip in it because the outboard end of the conduit is about 2" higher than where it goes through the stringer. To get the slope, the base of the outlet through the stringer had to go a little lower than the tank. I am planning on glassing inside the conduit a little to prevent buildup of anything. Probably not a big deal, but why not?
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pescazorro
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 11:38:24 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Phin
Zorro, This issue actually took a whole lot of thought, and I went with the best possible setup I could make work. One option would have been to do separate conduits for the vent line and fill line. I decided against that because it would have actually made for even more difficulty to change out the fill hose in the future because it would be a smaller conduit to work with.
The single fuel lines conduit shown above is as high as it could go with drainage from front boxes staying as high as deck height as possible, i.e. not below the waterline. I would have liked it just a tad higher, but it isn't possible without having drainage from the fwd seating on the port side dip down below the waterline. (drain line is above the fuel conduit directly below the deck now) I wanted all my drains above the waterline except the console interior and bilge, so the fuel conduit had to go where it is. I couldn't figure out any different way to do it without going to a smaller I.D. conduit, and that would defeat the whole purpose of having a conduit IMO.
There won't be a fuel fill problem because the conduit has a slight downward, and backward, slope to it from under the gunnel to the stringer. The conduit is 3" I.D. so although the bottom of where it goes through the stringer is 1/2" lower than the top of the tank, the hose won't have that dip in it because the outboard end of the conduit is about 2" higher than where it goes through the stringer. To get the slope, the base of the outlet through the stringer had to go a little lower than the tank. I am planning on glassing inside the conduit a little to prevent buildup of anything. Probably not a big deal, but why not?
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K. Looks great keep up the good work.
On a nother note, I am also curious to know if you think its been worth utilizing recycled box components. Seems like you may have just as much time in making those work as you would have in making them from scratch. I can see where it might be worth it if you could simply cut out and install the components intact with out having to butcher and rebuild. Just seems like an aweful lot of time trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Not judging at all just curious if i find the time to take something like this on.
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Phin
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 12:05:14 PM
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Depends on the strength and quality of what you find from scrap boats. Could be a boat that's been on the bottom of a creek for a few months or could be a boat that was totalled by an insurance company after being wrecked. Difference in what you're pulling out of it is going to be a little significant then.
The parts I'm using out of other boats are extremely strong and would cost me a few hundred dollars just in materials to make myself.
Take the transom livewell for example. It would take me weeks to build a mold and fab it or to cold mold it, and it wouldn't turn out as clean or as strong.
The fish box floors saved me lots of resin, filler and work mostly because they were already smooth- that's the key with them. Getting the end product where it's smooth with no print through from the cloth pattern in the future is very time consuming. All the time I can save using the pre-made parts adds up to months of work even though it appears like a lot of work fitting them in to my boat.
I am at only 10 gallons of resin used so far on this project. With vinylester resin, when I get parts like those flat pieces I used for the fish box floors, that's probably a half gallon of resin saved as well as a few lbs of cloth. Add in milled glass fiber, cabosil and microspheres to fill and fair it smooth, and you're probably looking at maybe 30 or 40 bucks of materials per side.
I am not sure on my cloth usage yet, but I am not but about half way through the cloth I purchased up front. I am more than halfway through with my glassing already because below deck and the transom is where the most strength is needed. I am kind of working through the materials as I go with a section-by-section basis rather than trying to have an overall limitation or goal with everything used. It is a fine line between focusing too much on single areas and focusing too much on the overall project. You have to plan several steps ahead as you're doing stuff or else you're cutting things out and redoing them, which again is wastage of materials, time and money.
So I would say to look at the parts you can use and determine if they'll save you any of those things that may be more or less expensive or scarce for you personally.
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DoubleN
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 4:27:21 PM
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Really coming together Phin, looking awesome man!
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Dragonslayer
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 7:54:22 PM
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Ok...I am now TOTALLY CONVINCED that you are really some super hero in disguise....perhaps "Concentration Man" or perhaps "Attention to Detail Dude", or even "Anal Retentive Guy"
Honestly, I can't even imagine having the dedication to getting something like this done. Good on you Phin!!

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Phin
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 8:47:46 PM
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Cltdeerhunter
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Posted - 08/28/2012 : 9:37:03 PM
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More good stuff.
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Cabdella77
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Posted - 08/30/2012 : 09:00:12 AM
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Phin
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Posted - 08/30/2012 : 09:30:30 AM
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Let's see here.....

quote: Originally posted by Phin
short term work plan:
sand bilge bulkhead mask fwd bilge area off flood coat bilge bulkhead vertical sand bilge bulkhead and stringer base corners' flood coat coat bilge with Interprotect2000e epoxy sand fwd fish box transition area apply more flood coat to fwd fish box transition area sand fwd fish box transition area flood coat coat fwd fish box newly glassed areas with 2000e epoxy
apply second coat of epoxy to bilge apply second coat of epoxy to fwd box newly glassed areas
drill cockpit fishbox bulkhead vertical bottom corners for plumbing runs glass in thin polycarbonate tubes (8ft long fluorescent light bulb protectors @ $5 each) as plumbing conduits for hose lines run under cockpit fish boxes design fish box drain corners complete fish box interior structure glassing sand flood coated fish box outboard interior verticals flood coat all of fish box interior
tab in cockpit fish box interiors and foam between interiors and hull/stringers sand cockpit fish box interiors' flood coats over drill thru-hull fittings' holes for cockpit fish box drains bevel edges, backfill with putty, redrill for fittings
cut out new stringer core to fit around fuel lines conduit under helm area glass fuel lines conduit stringer area and opposite stringer up to console interior back wall glass underside of deck between forepeak hatches
glass several layers reinforcement on underside of deck where T top legs mount (methacrylated FRP panels instead)
clean fuel cell area/prep for fuel tank install fuel tank and foam drill fuel pick up and ground bond wire hole in rear bulkhead add putty to hole then redrill smaller and bevel edges on both sides glass mid-tank deck support beam install beam and fillet putty and glass to stringers trim down foam and glass from tank to stringers install fuel lines
grind donated splash well grind underside of console base run conduit from aft console base area to anchor locker methacrylate console base to old deck underside fill console-deck joint with putty glass console-deck joint grind high spots during partial cure flood coat console-deck joint while still tacky build console interior floor (design, mold, glass, flood coat, sand)
apply third coat of epoxy to bilge apply fourth coat of epoxy to bilge
so updated plans:
new plan is to add another layer of 2708 glass and maybe 1/4" divinycell core to new fwd fish box floor in fwd section (flat area that replaced V'ed area) so that jumping down onto it during boat cleaning will not hurt it (not happy with stiffness of the area currently) flood coat and sand fwd fish box complete cockpit fish boxes interior structure glassing sand flood coated ckpt fish boxes outboard interior verticals flood coat all of ckpt fish box interior sand cockpit fish box interiors' flood coats over drill thru-hull fittings' holes for cockpit fish box drains bevel edges, backfill with putty, redrill for fittings glass underside of deck between forepeak hatches drill fuel pick up and ground bond wire hole in rear bulkhead add putty to hole then redrill smaller and bevel edges on both sides glass mid-tank deck support beam install beam and fillet putty and glass to stringers trim down foam and glass from tank to stringers install fuel lines methacrylate console base to old deck underside fill console-deck joint with putty glass console-deck joint grind high spots during partial cure flood coat console-deck joint while still tacky build console interior floor (design, mold, glass, flood coat, sand)
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gunnel cap repairs/recoring fwd livewell installation fwd seating recore/repair deck dry fitting deck underside glassing deck methacrylating to stringers, bulkheads and old deck edges deck joints filling/glassing deck surface glassing deck surface filling/fairing hull-deck cap joint rivets removed and joint cleaned up hull-cap joint methacrylating etc.
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Phin
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Posted - 08/30/2012 : 4:18:04 PM
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Mojo logo design:

Crescent moon will probably turn into a fish at some point, but this is a starting point.
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Edited by - Phin on 08/30/2012 4:19:03 PM |
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Pluffdaddy
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Posted - 08/31/2012 : 10:38:31 AM
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very cool.
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JMH
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Posted - 08/31/2012 : 11:43:51 AM
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ECU1984
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Posted - 09/02/2012 : 12:35:37 AM
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Starting to see it coming together for you now. I am looking forward to seeing finished product.
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Phin
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 09:10:08 AM
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deck support beam




fuel pickup and ground access



glassing fuel line access & tank edges

more putty



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saltydog235
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 10:17:25 AM
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Really starting to come together Wes. Keep at it.
Oh and thanks for the pics.
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dreamin-on
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Posted - 09/05/2012 : 11:56:33 AM
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Phin
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palmettotrooper
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Posted - 09/06/2012 : 5:51:52 PM
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| Got busy with work and forgot to text you back. Come whenever you want to get the rest of your stuff. If we are not there, Ill leave you a key and drop cord |
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Phin
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Posted - 09/06/2012 : 7:27:32 PM
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quote: Originally posted by palmettotrooper
Got busy with work and forgot to text you back. Come whenever you want to get the rest of your stuff. If we are not there, Ill leave you a key and drop cord
I appreciate it as always! Thank you very much!
Oh and no problem at all- figured you were on the road.
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Redstripe
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Posted - 09/07/2012 : 10:17:21 PM
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Phin
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Posted - 09/10/2012 : 10:45:13 AM
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the wasps do not like eminent domain, but I relocated a couple this weekend anyway
cut this stuff out of a scrap pile


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pescazorro
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Posted - 09/24/2012 : 12:04:03 PM
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Hey phin what gives man.....been jonesing for an update
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