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Rapchizzle
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 Posted - 02/06/2012 : 1:29:20 PM
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Holy cow Wes, I'm pretty impressed with all the work you've done on this thing so far. If it turns our anything like the 21, it's gonna be one sweet ride.
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 8:06:32 PM
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cleaned up she is not looking so bad on the inside. nice progress!
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Phin
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Posted - 02/07/2012 : 09:55:14 AM
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More from last night.
Took the sender off the big tank and worked a jiggler siphon.
After transfering about 3 5 gallon buckets of gas over the gunnel and into the funnel in the top of my barrel I got smarter....
Did some other stuff while the fuel drained at a slower rate for about 30 minutes. 55 gallon drum full! Need another drum, but the tank was much lighter. I was determined to get it out!
Broken free from the foam finally!
Old tank cover and the removed bulkhead with some of the aluminum straps and vent lines
FOAM
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pescazorro
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Posted - 02/07/2012 : 10:22:09 AM
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I would take a hard look at that tank if you're planning on reusing. Having been on a boat with a ruptured fuel tank, i can tell you it really sux to be in that situation. Make (**() sure the tank wasnt rubbing through where the foam may have deteriorated. You may want to consider replacing since you have gone this far just to be sure. It would suck having gone through all of this and have tear everything up in a year or two to fix a tank that finally gave out. Just my .02. Lokking good thus far
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Give,Give.. Never Take."
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Phin
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Posted - 02/07/2012 : 10:37:22 AM
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Replacing it. Likely with a 101 gallon Moeller tank. Undecided on also having an additional 55 gallon tank forward that will stay empty except on extreme trips.
Need to figure out where I can fit a decent fresh water tank if I take up all the forward space between the stringers with the extra fuel tank.
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Whalure
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Posted - 02/08/2012 : 09:14:41 AM
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Phin,
If you can find a 110 or 120 gallon tank, I would look at that. I have a Grady 222 with F250 and burn about 80 gallons a full day fishing. Our boats probably weigh about the same yours maybe a little more. That extra 10 or 20 gallons would be a good piece of mind on a sloppy day. That boat is looking good. I fish on a friends old 241 mako all the time and it is a great riding boat. Good luck with your project. |
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Phin
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Posted - 02/09/2012 : 11:55:37 AM
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Looking into having a single custom tank made. I agree whalure... I want to be around 125 gallons.
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DG34YF
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 07:36:10 AM
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Sorry, I'm a page late on the blocking issue.
Never too many.
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 1:46:08 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by DG34YF
Sorry, I'm a page late on the blocking issue.
Never too many.
Phin, what would you charge to get the bottom paint off this one??
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Phin
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Posted - 02/13/2012 : 09:57:04 AM
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Got the gas out of the shop this weekend and took it to a friend of mine who is in the fuel business. He had a tank for waste fuel.
Thanks to got2go for meeting me early Saturday morning to give me a hand with fuel transfer to get it into the back of the truck.
Both tanks now out for good.
Got the rear bulkhead cut out.
Obvious to me now how these boats weigh so much. This bulkhead must weigh 30lbs. Oh... and it was SOLID after 33+ years!
Cut the below deck live well liner out next.
May find another use for this, so keeping it for now.
Wide open bilge now. Plan to make a valve/pump access between the new fuel tank and raised live well so accessing the bilge from the splash well is no longer needed.
Got some PlasDeck samples also.
Good news. After beating one of the samples as hard as possible with a 16oz bank sinker the sinker's point was flattened but there was absolutely no damage to the deck sample. Really impressed with this stuff and think I will use it.
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Phin
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 11:45:55 AM
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So here are some ideas I have for modifications.
Current transom and splash well's general shape
New transom also showing livewell top in the rear of the cockpit (but I will narrow it's footprint up- see below)
Overhead shot of the boat's layout now (this is another person's boat that has an upper control station)
New transom layout
New cockpit fish boxes and narrowed up raised transom livewell
The brown areas in the last pic will have the plasdeck synthetic teak on them. The rest of the interior will be white. Nonskid white will be on the forward seating, gunnels and casting deck.
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palmettotrooper
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 1:51:22 PM
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boatpoor
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Posted - 02/17/2012 : 6:15:05 PM
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| why no glass it all up and add bracket it will add all kinds of space and ride better I did it on my 25' Downeaster pilot house and was amazed at all the extra room and ride! |
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Phin
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Posted - 02/18/2012 : 11:11:58 AM
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Have been told by several people that a bracket on these boats under 28ft is a bad idea. The rocker area on makos is already pretty far back, which is why they are somewhat dry relatively. Putting the motor farther back on a bracket without extending the running surface backward will make the bow too light and screw the ride up I'm afraid. Some boats work, but on this narrow 25 I don't want to risk it for the sake of the cockpit space.
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Cracker Larry
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Posted - 02/18/2012 : 2:26:41 PM
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I agree with that reasoning, Phin. It is seldom a good idea to add a bracket to a boat not designed for it. It moves the center of gravity too far aft and it won't balance properly. That boat is long and lean and would be way out of trim.
Very nice work! You've almost got the hard part finished 
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boatpoor
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Posted - 02/18/2012 : 10:28:39 PM
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| Forgot that the Mako is narrow, my Downeaster had a 10'6" beam.I like the live well at the srern! |
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Phin
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Posted - 02/21/2012 : 09:46:12 AM
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.......... ........ ...... went to town on the boat this week. I will have more pictures tonight.
I went and did a little along with them yesterday.
Got the base of the new console cut away from the big deck plug I got with the console.
Then we cut the front seat off the console. After cutting this front section out, the console is about 10 inches longer than the original console.
Plan on making a front access for the console, and once that's built up, they will cut the deck plug/base in the front to match up so the base that used to be needed for the front seating on the console is gone.
So the deck will be cut down where the plug will fit in to have a step down under the console so people can stand up inside it. We plan to bond the console base section with inner liner to the deck and stringers. Thought I may as well cut the deck flat now so we can trace out the footprint of the new portion of deck that will get bonded to the surrounding old deck.
Also got the lips from the two old bulkheads cut a little more so they can be ground down easier.
Aft
Forward
The remaining pipe is the drain out of the big below deck forepeak box. I plan to tie the drain from inside the console liner into this area and macerate or bilge it instead of having a drain running under the fuel tank like originally. I want the fuel cell area totally sealed off where moisture/air cannot freely migrate. between the bilge and the front of the boat.
I also cut the rod holder pockets out so they can be glassed to the vertical hull liner to make a flush transition.
Starboard side before
starboard side after
port side after
Coaming bolsters will cover the top edges, and the bottom and sides will be glassed to the verticals.
I decided the best thing to do was to take the whole front of the spashwell and raised box out.
This thing was tough! AND HEAVY!!!
Rotten deck found below it. Years of water sitting over the area inside the box...
Delaminated glass came up easily, and some of the wood is totally rotten.
Glad we took that area out. What I will do now is cut out the rotten areas and basically join into the forward deck and bring new deck back all the way to the transom and tie it in with the stringers.
Then a new bulkhead will go straight across about 25 inches forward of the transom to keep a splash well. The actual well will be reduced in size, however, and the sides of the old splash well area will be raised to be sort of a platform that can be stood on, etc.
Going to make a removable livewell to ride in one of these corners and all that will need to be hooked up will be the water inlet from a faucet type connection in the side of the splashwell. The overflow for this livewell can simply run out over the back of the splash well. Will make a small, insulated, permanent livewell/cooler to fit below the leaning post. Want as small of a footprint leaning post as possible and as much cockpit, i.e. fishing room as possible. Will probably have a removable rear bench seat made for when the boat's used for cruising instead of fishing.
Should have new cockpit floor fish boxes and new bilge access hatch molded up by next week so they can be integrated in with the new rear deck section.
Once the new rear deck and bulkhead are in, we'll hit the transom replacement and also fitting of the new console where I can get fuel tank dimensions drafted up and have it built.
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Phin
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Posted - 02/21/2012 : 10:40:07 AM
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So
Deck area behind the leaning post will be significantly increased with the new cockpit layout plan.
Here's the new plan in general.
vs the old plan
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Phin
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Posted - 02/22/2012 : 11:42:23 AM
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Russell got a few hours of time in on my boat.
I went over last night to clean up a little and see what condition the existing deck was in mainly.
Big forepeak hatch getting recored. Should cut down on weight big time.
Most of the bad wood out of the aft deck. Will take the deck back to the transom with composite core.
Here's the new console base and inner liner sitting over where we will cut down into the existing deck and stringers to bond it in.
More shots of the aft area and taking out some more foam
This was the bad side
Can you tell what I'm thinking here as I look at the fiberglass shown???
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Redstripe
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 10:52:07 PM
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| Are you going to somehow insulate the fishboxes...?? The one in the cockpit on my scout sucks, and the ice doesn't hold long. I'm trying to improve that situation. Also put the biggest pump you can get to empty those things. |
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Redstripe
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 10:54:00 PM
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| Are you going to somehow insulate the fishboxes...?? The one in the cockpit on my scout sucks, and the ice doesn't hold long. I'm trying to improve that situation. Also put the biggest pump you can get to empty those things. |
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Phin
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Posted - 02/24/2012 : 11:30:30 AM
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The problem is I don't have much space if I insulate them. They're going to essentially be kill boxes for tuna and dolphin. I will try to make them as long as possible and have a removable baffle system so that I don't have to try to cool so much air just for a few fish.
I may make liners out of 1/4" PVC glued up, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't really give me all that much R value. I've thought about this quite a bit, and still haven't decided. The space is just too tight to get much in there. I don't really want spray foam unless it's closed cell, so maybe I could do 1/4" PVC sheet for liners with foam shot in between the stringers and hull to go around the liners....
1/4" PVC liner with 1/4" closed cell neoprene glued to the back is another idea I had. Can get neoprene scraps and PVC sheet pretty cheap.
Glassing up liners is too much weight added IMO for it to outweigh the benefits.
Like I said, these are just going to be kill boxes and hold lead for bottom fishing and stuff like that otherwise. The main ice hold will be the below deck forepeak in the front, and they hold ice very well in these old Mako's.
I have also toyed with the idea of refrigerating a box, but I cannot decide which box to do it to. Probably the forepeak up front- again- with a removable partition so I am not wasting power/ice trying to keep space cool that doesn't matter.
Oh... boxes will have a 1 or 1 1/4" outlet with macerator plus a ball valve bypass to go straight out of a drain thru hull in case the macerator goes out while on the water.
My drain system is going to get a lot of thought as well. Won't be anything ordinary....
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Phin
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Posted - 02/27/2012 : 12:47:19 PM
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From a solid day of work this weekend
Broke out the old rigging tubes and attacked foam (removed it)
Decided I've got to have my livewell in the most accessible place. Still lots of deck space freed up vs before.
Cut out the deck where I could put the console base with interior liner down lower so get measurements for new fuel tank and better outline how much old deck has to be cut out to glass the console base to the existing deck and stringers.
Deck is solid for the most part
This small section felt like the core was bad
yep
foam gone from this area that was solid with it
More foam mining
Barely started and already a big pile of foam gold mined out
Second 55 gallon bag full, and I've only got the port side empty
Went back to the fuel fill area to get foam and old fill lines out. This area was full of foam when I started.
First fill line not looking too good
the second looks like it'll be worse. Some sort of chunk of wood between it and the outer hull for some reason. I'm thinking this is where fuel has leaked into the foam I just took out on this port side....
Actually no problem where the wood was.
Look close, and you can see where the bottom of the line was leaking
Not just one place corroded through, but two!
Then it was time to go home, but before I left I wanted to see some shots of how the layout will be when done.
This week's lesson: foam mining is not fun.
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