| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
 Posted - 03/04/2012 : 8:29:15 PM
|
Just one question MCV, and all I want is an honest answer please.(yes or no) When you file your taxes on a yearly basis, do you pay only the minimum amount required by law?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
 |
|
|
mcvlbound
Senior Member
1508 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 8:56:24 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by skinneej
mcvlbound, do you at least believe that a 21 year old with perfect health, a routine of excercise and diet, should expect a lower premium than someone who is 100 lbs overweight, has AIDs, cancer, constantly smokes, and drinks budweiser for breakfast, after taking a few viles of crack?
If you owned your own insurance company, would you even cover person B?
You've highlighted a part of the problem right there. The young healthy guy with healthy habits is who the health insurance companies want, and yes I agree he should get a lowered premium.
The other guy just ends up getting his medical care from the taxpayers at no cost so even the healthy young guy gets screwed.
How about later in life when the young healthy guy isn't so healthy anymore. Maybe in spite of his healthy ways he develops genetic related health conditions. Should the health care companies be allowed to tell him to take a hike like they did the crack head, or how about they just raise him premiums until it's not affordable? That would be good business.
I'm a pretty healthy guy for my age. I've never been in a hospital for anything worse than a broken collarbone when I was 10. I bet I've been in a doctors office no more than 6 or 7 times since I was a kid. I've paid a lot of premiums over the years and if I dropped dead today the insurers would have done real good off of me as an insured.....but it ain't over yet. Now I am getting to the age where things start to wear out. I know that and they know that. From a business point of view they would be better off right now getting rid of me as an insured. So when they call me and ask me how much alcohol I drink a week, even though I can truthfully answer that I rarely drink at all, I know that they are not asking that question to see if I am getting enough alcohol in my diet, and I really don't like the direction I feel things are heading in.
It's intrusive and it's designed to target individuals, and yes I do feel as if it infringes on a freedom of mine, even though it's hard to explain exactly which one. My employer is beginning mandatory health biometric screening. I know they didn't come up with that one all on their own. My wife's company calls it something different but it's essentially the same thing.
I guess the folks with the good genes are going to end up paying less than the folks with the bad genes. Maybe they'll end up doing genetic screening of engaged couples to predetermine if they will cover their offspring? That would be smart business on their part too. A lot of health conditions are passed on and if the Mom and the Dad have certain genetic markers the bean counters can put a percentage chance of whether or not their offspring will be affected. It's something to really look forward to isn't it? |
|
|
|
mcvlbound
Senior Member
1508 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 8:59:19 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Just one question MCV, and all I want is an honest answer please.(yes or no) When you file your taxes on a yearly basis, do you pay only the minimum amount required by law?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
No |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 9:01:20 PM
|
Please explain?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 9:05:32 PM
|
You know that your greedy a$$ is busted, but I'd still like to hear your explanation!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 9:17:07 PM
|
Waiting!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 9:22:56 PM
|
Sleep on it my friend. Maybe you'll see the light tomorrow?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
dixiedog02
Senior Member
224 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 10:49:42 PM
|
MC,the insurance arguemnt plays into this argument well. Simply put, people are given genes, they are not chosen. What is chosen are the choices each person makes every day. I weigh 215 (all 5'10 of me) pounds, yes, being overweight is in my family, but I chose today to eat some really good boiled peanuts (cajun, packed with salt, LOVED IT). So my choice may effect my health, and that is no one's fault but mine.
That (I believe) is what frustrates a lot of people on this argument, personal choices are just that, yours, and I can't make yours for you, so why should I PAY FOR THEM?? This lady has made many choices in her life, and I would love to see her bank statements to show how much money she has, and what she spends it on. Would you still feel she needs this for free if you saw that her alcohol bills from bars was more than the $1,000 a year it costs for BC?? I would, because then you would see that SHE made a decision that drinking was more important that BC?!?!!??!
|
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 11:26:52 PM
|
After all of this, and five pages. You win some, and you lose some.....
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
gotchacovered
Prolific Poster
18080 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 09:10:47 AM
|
Mcvlbound,
"How about later in life when the young healthy guy isn't so healthy anymore. Maybe in spite of his healthy ways he develops genetic related health conditions. Should the health care companies be allowed to tell him to take a hike like they did the crack head"
Well, I wrote a long reply, but one question will sum the whole thing up.
If insurance companies should have to insure people who are known to be a guaranteed loss in advance, then should home-mortgauge companies and banks be forced to give out loans to people whom the lenders know can never, ever afford to pay them back?
It seems to me that the government already tried that experient.
Oh, wait, I have the answer to the economic crisis. We can make it so that people HAVE to keep buying stock in companies that are failing! We can also make it so that employees HAVE to work for free if their employer is having financial propblems!
You down, MC?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/05/2012 09:29:55 AM |
|
|
|
Blue_Runner
Senior Member
1186 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 09:18:02 AM
|
quote:
What is chosen are the choices each person makes every day. I weigh 215 (all 5'10 of me) pounds, yes, being overweight is in my family, but I chose today to eat some really good boiled peanuts (cajun, packed with salt, LOVED IT). So my choice may effect my health, and that is no one's fault but mine.
But scientists may find out that eating these cajun peanuts are good for you. So you are saying the insurance companies should use the "best available data" to make these decisions? Sounds eerily similar to another group of so-called scientists we know, doesn't it?
It ain't no mystery...this beer's history! |
|
|
|
gotchacovered
Prolific Poster
18080 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 09:33:55 AM
|
MC, if you want to live as a first-century Christian communist, and surrender all your wealth to your community, to be shared by all, then let's go form a Messianic Kibbutz in Israel. We can make everyone equal. Otherwise, as long as you remain an American Capitalist, working for as much profit as you can store up, don't expect others to respect your complaints against more successful capitalists just because they won't give you their profits.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/05/2012 09:37:21 AM |
|
|
|
mcvlbound
Senior Member
1508 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 2:55:58 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Please explain?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Wait a minute. You asked for a simple yes or no answer and now you want me to explain? If I had explained last night you would have said you didn't ask for an explanation.
I gave the State of Maryland $100.00 extra for the Chesapeake Bay Restoration Fund. |
|
|
|
mcvlbound
Senior Member
1508 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 3:12:24 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by dixiedog02
MC,the insurance arguemnt plays into this argument well. Simply put, people are given genes, they are not chosen. What is chosen are the choices each person makes every day. I weigh 215 (all 5'10 of me) pounds, yes, being overweight is in my family, but I chose today to eat some really good boiled peanuts (cajun, packed with salt, LOVED IT). So my choice may effect my health, and that is no one's fault but mine.
That (I believe) is what frustrates a lot of people on this argument, personal choices are just that, yours, and I can't make yours for you, so why should I PAY FOR THEM?? This lady has made many choices in her life, and I would love to see her bank statements to show how much money she has, and what she spends it on. Would you still feel she needs this for free if you saw that her alcohol bills from bars was more than the $1,000 a year it costs for BC?? I would, because then you would see that SHE made a decision that drinking was more important that BC?!?!!??!
DD the lady from Georgetown never asked you or me to pay for her BC pills. She wanted the University to pay for them under the Health Care Coverage that she is charged for as a part of her tuition. It's a lot different than wanting them free as in welfare. People petition Health Care Providers every day to cover items that the insurers don't want to cover. Health Care Insurers have whole branches whose sole purpose is to find ways to NOT pay for claims. It's how the system works. |
|
|
|
dixiedog02
Senior Member
224 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 4:24:13 PM
|
My point behind the post was to show a lack of personal responsibility in the matter. Whether she asks me, you, Geortetown Alumni, present students, or future ones, she is asking for something because she feels it is her right to get them for free. That is where I have the problem.
For some reason my generation feels that if they are entitled to everything |
|
|
|
dixiedog02
Senior Member
224 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 4:33:32 PM
|
| (sorry, hit the submit accidentally) I am 31 years old and I am not sure if it is because of the baby boomers and their success, but my generation is in for a big suprise. They want and want and want, but aren't willing to work for it. And if they fail, the expectations for help is unreal. This woman is just another example of how our society will fail because of the dependancy on the government. |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 7:03:20 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by mcvlbound
quote:
Originally posted by dixiedog02
MC,the insurance arguemnt plays into this argument well. Simply put, people are given genes, they are not chosen. What is chosen are the choices each person makes every day. I weigh 215 (all 5'10 of me) pounds, yes, being overweight is in my family, but I chose today to eat some really good boiled peanuts (cajun, packed with salt, LOVED IT). So my choice may effect my health, and that is no one's fault but mine.
That (I believe) is what frustrates a lot of people on this argument, personal choices are just that, yours, and I can't make yours for you, so why should I PAY FOR THEM?? This lady has made many choices in her life, and I would love to see her bank statements to show how much money she has, and what she spends it on. Would you still feel she needs this for free if you saw that her alcohol bills from bars was more than the $1,000 a year it costs for BC?? I would, because then you would see that SHE made a decision that drinking was more important that BC?!?!!??!
DD the lady from Georgetown never asked you or me to pay for her BC pills. She wanted the University to pay for them under the Health Care Coverage that she is charged for as a part of her tuition. It's a lot different than wanting them free as in welfare. People petition Health Care Providers every day to cover items that the insurers don't want to cover. Health Care Insurers have whole branches whose sole purpose is to find ways to NOT pay for claims. It's how the system works.
At a private Jesuit school, knowing full well that their was no coverage for such!! Fluke researched these matters before attending. She also graduated from Cornell with a Masters in some sort of Womens Studies, then lied about her age when trying to testify before her mock Congressional hearing.
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 7:17:00 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by mcvlbound
quote:
Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Please explain?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Wait a minute. You asked for a simple yes or no answer and now you want me to explain? If I had explained last night you would have said you didn't ask for an explanation.
I gave the State of Maryland $100.00 extra for the Chesapeake Bay Restoration Fund.
Cool man, I was just wondering whether your philanthropy for spending tax dollars was held to the same level on a personal note, and from your answer, I see it's not??
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
soup
Senior Member
2718 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 8:32:11 PM
|
| Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. Great preparation for law school. Maybe the proclivity aspect has yet to be told. |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 9:03:34 PM
|
Thanks soup!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 9:07:05 PM
|
I also hope she wasn't granted taxpayer scholarships to attain her degree, but I'm probably only wishful thinking again!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
Mixed Nutz
Senior Member
3503 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 9:15:44 PM
|
Could anyone tell if she was wearing a bra? Or did Pulosi burn it before Fluke was allowed to testify in the Circus?
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
|
|
|
dixiedog02
Senior Member
224 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 9:41:20 PM
|
| If she keeps on the same path I can't wait until the 99% strikes out against her!! Then I bet she won't want to share as much of everyone's wealth! |
|
|
|
Reelly Old
Senior Member
1338 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 12:36:25 AM
|
She wanted to be in the formal hearing, but she was denied. She then was invited to an informal hearing, attended and spoke.
That was the interruption, and then she was invited to an informal hearing (whatever that is) by ... wait for it ... Nancy Pelosi. Political stunt if there ever was one, and now she's the poster girl for women's rights everywhere? She'd have been yesterday's news yesterday if Rush had kept his mouth shut! Georgetown should boot her azz for embarrassing the University ... 
Mountains From Mole Hills, It's What Liberal Dimocrats Do Best!
__________________________ |
|
|
|
Fishb8
Senior Member
6123 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 06:34:33 AM
|
http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurance
As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control. She has been pushing for mandated coverage of contraceptives at Georgetown for at least three years according to the Washington Post.
However, as I discovered today, birth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
23 Sea Hunt "My Last Boat V"
If you can't stand behind our soldiers, try standing in front of them. |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
You win some, and you lose some....
