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gotchacovered
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 Posted - 03/11/2012 : 1:21:36 PM
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You're as bad or worse than Rush Limbaugh, OFM. I don't think too many honest, objective, intelligent people actually believe that this is really about some activist being called a name by a radio shock jockey. It it were about principle, then the same people complaining would have long-since judged themselves and their own for doing the same 1,000 times--but they don't do that, and you're living proof.
This was, and still is, obviously a political stunt pulled by Nancy Peslosi and the rest of the far-Left Democrats to try and recoup the face President Obama lost by punching Catholics in the eye with a Constitutional-rights violation. This is a dog-and-pony show--mock hearing and all--and this name-calling nonsense is nothing but MISDIRECTION to distract America from the real subject--the Democratic Party's assault on Constitutional rights and religious freedom.
You can trying to find more and more ways to distort reality to fit your Left-tilted world view if you want, but smart people--men AND women--see straight through this facade.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/11/2012 1:27:41 PM |
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Mixed Nutz
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Posted - 03/11/2012 : 8:53:59 PM
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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Well Done Gotcha'!! I applaud your research, and commitment!!
I wonder where all of the Liberals go when they know that they're on a sinking ship?
They can't out fact us, can't outright ignore the Constitution (YET!!) Can't stand to know the truth !!! And when the TRUTH, and FACTS don't agree with their arguments, they just disappear??
I say they need to stop wasting our time with frivolous arguments, and come clean on just what their objective is for the future of The United States of America!!!!!!!!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Gotcha bought you a cheerleaders jersey yet?
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Not yet, just the pom pom's.
In reviewing your own signature line, I feel compelled to ask you, what "difference" are "you" trying to contribute to America?
Just what is it that you're after?
More big government control over the citizenry? More Liberal lies about our economy? More socialist doctrine?
Or are you simply like MCV, and want all of the rest of us to make sure that you are secure in your retirement?
I know that's a lot of questions for one that's not so used to answering them, but rather asking, so take your time, and be deliberate!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
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Mixed Nutz
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Posted - 03/11/2012 : 9:03:12 PM
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Oh, and by the way. It's Gotcha' 21, Fishinmission 0!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 04:02:07 AM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
Rush is a hypocritical, piece of shat junkie! A total waste of air!
I hope Sandra Fluke sues his oxycotin eating fat ass!
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Keep rewriting history and changing your tune to fit the current state of affairs.
Below is the evolution of your self-contradiction.
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Fishb8
http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurance
[...] Sandra Fluke she is...a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control [....] She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered [...] makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
So you site an article from an ultra right news network whose mission statement is to discredit mainstream media? The article sites other great media publications as the blaze, alexa shruggs, JWF and another article from MRC. Exceptional find, I'm sure its 100% true~!
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
[...] Hey, OnaFishinMission, uhm, do you think Georgetown
University's "Annual Review" publications are a valid enough source, or are you going to say that's no good, too?
L----O-----L. This chick is BUSTED.
[...] I have a friend that edits lots and lots of books, should we credit every book he has edited as being written by him, I think not.
Good try though, keep grasping!
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
[...] My position is that, under our constitution, she should be able to voice her opinion without being called a slut and a prostitute. Should I call you a **** bag mother ****er because I disagree with your position on Keystone XL?
Drumroll please!
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
The difference in me saying those things about Rush is that they are all true, not defamation there. He is a fat pos, he is a oxycotin eatin junkie, he is a total waste of air. I can back those statements.
Soooooooo, bottom line, you are saying, in so many words, "I believe that, under our Constitution, a LIBERAL should be able to voice her opinion without being called a slut, but it's OK to call Conservatives pieces of feces or wastes of air. Why? Because the opinion of OnaFishinMission about someone else's opinions determines whether or not it's OK to call them such names. Other people's opinions don't matter, so they have no right to call names; only I, and those who think like me, have that right, because our opinions are true and right.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! That is Liberal hypocrisy on steroids!!!!!!!!!!
By the way, you're making the argument (again) that Ms. Fluke didn't advocate sex-change coverage--uhhhm--right after you said you didn't take that position. Please pick a lane. On that note, please prove your assertion that the article isn't about sex changes, but only about helping people who were born with inter-sexual organs or medicinal, at-birth "gender assignment". Provide some supporting quotes, since you imply that you've read it. Even the PRO-LGBT sites admit that she's a sex-change advocate. If you're talking about people who CHOSE to "assign" a gender and have those drugs, but now want to reverse the decision, or people who "feel" like they are the wrong sex--uhm--that's just a sex change. Sorry. It's a sex change. Perhaps, you're going to debate me on the validity of psychological "trans-genderism" and the semantics of "sex change" now. How knows?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
Bottom line is sometimes a duck is a duck and sometimes a fat pos is a fat pos. Show me where Ms. fluke is a prostitute, if you can't, calling her one is defamation and slander. I can show and have shown you Rush is a hypocritical, oxycotin eating junkie yet you still can't grasp the concept. Funny.
Here you go making up stuff again, I never said she didn't advocate sex change. I personally don't know her position, I have only read a paper she edited about discrimination in the work place against transgender people. I stated that the paper she "edited" had a small section about transgender sex changes for people in which a sex change has already occurred, incorrectly at birth, and they wish to have it corrected. So keep arguing about an article you haven't read.
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 04:05:31 AM
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When you try to have an intelligent conversation on the issues with a liberal they will?
1. Shift the subject
2. Ignore the facts
3. Name call
Don't confuse them with the facts their minds are made up.
Shift the subject...so backing up why Rush is a pos is shifting the subject?
Ignoring the facts, gotcha keeps making up the "facts" from articles he has "read" yet won't post the links and I'm making stuff up...interesting.
name call...as I said earlier sometimes a duck is a duck.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson |
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 04:20:25 AM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
You're as bad or worse than Rush Limbaugh, OFM. I don't think too many honest, objective, intelligent people actually believe that this is really about some activist being called a name by a radio shock jockey. It it were about principle, then the same people complaining would have long-since judged themselves and their own for doing the same 1,000 times--but they don't do that, and you're living proof.
This was, and still is, obviously a political stunt pulled by Nancy Peslosi and the rest of the far-Left Democrats to try and recoup the face President Obama lost by punching Catholics in the eye with a Constitutional-rights violation. This is a dog-and-pony show--mock hearing and all--and this name-calling nonsense is nothing but MISDIRECTION to distract America from the real subject--the Democratic Party's assault on Constitutional rights and religious freedom.
You can trying to find more and more ways to distort reality to fit your Left-tilted world view if you want, but smart people--men AND women--see straight through this facade.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
So now you are calling me names, I really did get your goat! You say I'm worse than Rush for calling him what he is, using his own words to portray his character. I defend a person, lets just call her an activist if that makes you feel any better, that wants her insurance to cover birth control. So what does that make me? You on the other hand stand up for Rush Limbaugh, a bigot, racist, male chauvinist druggie. By your own assertions, since I stood up for Ms. Fluke, I advocate her position so I guess to be equally fair here it is safe to say the same things about you and Rush. Now what does that say about you? And you call me unintelligent and dishonest? By your own assessments I may be as bad as Rush, but you are Rush and your true color has come to light.
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jstrange
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 08:00:07 AM
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I have yet to see Gotcha say something with out the facts to back it up. I have never seen Gotcha call somebody a name. Me? I'm a name caller. I try not to be but struggle with that.
Drugs and Limbaugh you say? Hmmmm, he paid his price for that already and by all known accounts he is clean and sober now. Obama admitted to smoking pot and snorting cocaine. At least Rush was on a prescription drug. Why don't you ask the question- Is it ok for a known drug user to be president of the USA? If the answer is yes then Rush has every right to be a radio host expressing every opinion he has. N'est-ce pas?
Umm, you gonna eat that?
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 08:02:45 AM
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Well Done Gotcha'!! I applaud your research, and commitment!!
I wonder where all of the Liberals go when they know that they're on a sinking ship?
They can't out fact us, can't outright ignore the Constitution (YET!!) Can't stand to know the truth !!! And when the TRUTH, and FACTS don't agree with their arguments, they just disappear??
I say they need to stop wasting our time with frivolous arguments, and come clean on just what their objective is for the future of The United States of America!!!!!!!!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Gotcha bought you a cheerleaders jersey yet?
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Not yet, just the pom pom's.
In reviewing your own signature line, I feel compelled to ask you, what "difference" are "you" trying to contribute to America?
Just what is it that you're after?
More big government control over the citizenry? More Liberal lies about our economy? More socialist doctrine?
Or are you simply like MCV, and want all of the rest of us to make sure that you are secure in your retirement?
I know that's a lot of questions for one that's not so used to answering them, but rather asking, so take your time, and be deliberate!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Since you ask, in the last year I have been responsible for $2million worth of capitol distributed into the construction industry. I personally have hired 4 people in the last 4 months, will hire 2 more this week and have indirectly been responsible for bringing alot of people back to work. Pro-Bono, I built an incubator facility to give a platform for upstart companies to start from. Pro-Bono, I made modifications to a house for a person in a wheel chair. Should I go on?
Now I ask you the same question, what have you done to contribute to America?
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 08:57:06 AM
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OnaFishinMission,
A. No, I didn't call you any names. Try to quote me calling you a name here if you can. The closest I've come to calling you a name is identifying you with Liberals because you take the Liberal side of practically every discussion. (By the way, the thought of you thinking you have "got my goat" makes me chuckle!)
B. Yes, you clearly did argue against the idea that Ms. FLuke is an activist who advocated sex changes. Everyone can see that. It is so odd that you do something and then say you didn't, and then do it again, and then say you didn't again. LOL.
C. No, you have not proven that Rush Limbaush is a piece of feces or a waste of air, nor is that possible. Rush probably makes more money for his employers in a few minutes than you make in a few years. You have only established that you don't like what he says or does, and you think that MAKES him a piece of feces and a waste of air. That is no different than Rush's words, where he explains how and why he feels that Ms. Fluke is a slut and prostitute for advocating free sex pills.
That's the ABC's of the reality here.
In sum, YOU said in your OWN words, "My position is that, under our constitution, she should be able to voice her opinion without being called a slut and a prostitute. Should I call you a **** bag mother ****er because I disagree with your position on Keystone XL?" In the SAME thread, you call Rush a piece of feces and a waste of air. So, you DO exactly what you said we should not. You DO call people such names when you disagree with their positions. That is hypocrisy, plain and simple, and by your OWN words, it's wrong.
By the way, you still haven't answered my questions.
1. Do you agree that Ms. Fluke is way off and out of line to demand that her college cover her birth-control pills? YES or NO?
2. Should Obamacare cover that birth control or abortafacients? YES or NO?
3. Should colleges and employers have to offer plans that cover them? YES or NO?
4. What if no insurance plans exist that will cover those things? Should the government then make insurance companies, colleges, or employers cover or pay for them? YES or NO?
5. Should the law be involved at all? YES or NO?
6. Should Ms. Fluke just shut up and either pay for her own pills, buy a policy tht covers them, or go to another college that covers them, or is she right to push the Catholic college to spring for the pills--and to conveniently drag that fight into the political battle that just HAPPENS to be going on right now with the new Obamacare laws and administrative position?
7. Is it all just a happenstance that this all plays together so nicely for the Democrats?
Why can't you directly answer any of these questions???????
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/12/2012 09:04:26 AM |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 09:21:18 AM
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OnaFishinMission, here's the "bottom line", your own words--alone--make the hypocrisy in your "position" here clear and obvious to all.
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
Rush is a hypocritical, piece of shat junkie! A total waste of air! I hope Sandra Fluke sues his oxycotin eating fat ass!
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
I am for a person being able to voice their opinions without being called a slut though.
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
My position is that, under our constitution, she should be able to voice her opinion without being called a slut and a prostitute. Should I call you a **** bag mother ****er because I disagree with your position on Keystone XL?
Nah, man, if you disagree with a Conservative's opinion, just call 'em a "piece of shat...waste of air". That should suffice! Just don't call a Liberal activist a "slut", because that ain't right.*
Behold the double-standard.
Isn't it funny how OnaFishinMission is the one here ranting full-blown cuss words out left and right, but he thinks HE has someone's goat? I'm sorry, but this is making me laugh.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/12/2012 09:47:12 AM |
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 10:03:38 AM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
OnaFishinMission, here's the "bottom line", your own words--alone--make the hypocrisy in your "position" here clear and obvious to all.
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
Rush is a hypocritical, piece of shat junkie! A total waste of air! I hope Sandra Fluke sues his oxycotin eating fat ass!
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
I am for a person being able to voice their opinions without being called a slut though.
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
My position is that, under our constitution, she should be able to voice her opinion without being called a slut and a prostitute. Should I call you a **** bag mother ****er because I disagree with your position on Keystone XL?
Nah, man, if you disagree with a Conservative's opinion, just call 'em a "piece of shat...waste of air". That should suffice! Just don't call a Liberal activist a "slut", because that ain't right.*
Behold the double-standard.
Isn't it funny how OnaFishinMission is the one here ranting full-blown cuss words out left and right, but he thinks HE has someone's goat? I'm sorry, but this is making me laugh.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
No, just Rush.
Interesting article
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-injured-idUS286979719420120306
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 10:37:39 AM
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What point does that make? Some people also sued President Obama over his citizenship. Aside from the fact that attorneys on opposite sides disagree, a couple of politically-charged, litigious lawyers, sought and cited by Liberal activists and reporters, does nothing to exhonerate you from the double-standards in your statements, OFM. No one said Rush was a kind soul for saying what he said. The point is that you did virtually the same thing he did, which makes the whole name-calling ploy phony.
The 5th sentence in that article says, "Liberal activists are clamoring for legal action." 'Nuff said.
This is nothing but a distraction, and citing a couple of one political side's attorneys involved only serves that distraction even more. It makes no point other than to manipulate the American People into forgetting that the Democratic Party is trying to destroy our Constitutional rights and give free sex pills to people on our dime.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/12/2012 11:17:11 AM |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 11:22:03 AM
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OK, we've entertained your "name-calling" distraction attempt long enough. Now, answer the questions that pertain to the subject of actual importance to the country on BOTH sides of the disagreement. I'll clarify them even more.
1. Do you agree that Ms. Fluke is out of line to demand that coverage for birth-control pills be mandated by law, even at Catholic schools, and even to people who only "need" it to have sex without having babies? YES or NO?
2. Should Obamacare cover birth control and abortafacients for all applicants or require that private insurance companies do so? YES or NO?
3. Should colleges and employers have to offer plans that cover them? YES or NO?
4. Should religious institutions that object to birth control on religioius grounds be forced to participate in insurance plans that cover birth control? Yes or no?
5. What if no insurance plans exist, at any given time, that will cover those things? Should the government then make insurance companies, colleges, or employers cover or pay for them THEN? YES or NO?
6. Should Ms. Fluke just drop her pursuit and either pay for her own pills, buy a policy tht covers them, or go to another college that covers them, or is she right to push for others to spring for the pills--and to conveniently drag that fight into the political battle that just HAPPENS to be going on right now with the new Obamacare laws and administrative position?
7. Is it all just a happenstance that this all plays together so nicely for the Democrats? Yes or no.
8. Is Sandra Fluke an established left-wing political activist on birth control and abortion? Yes or no.
9. Has Sandra Fluke advocated insurance coverage for sex changes? Yes or no.
10. Is this whole thing really about saving face for the Democratic Party in response to the backlash they got when they tried to force the Catholic Church to fund insurance that covers birth control? Yes or no?
That's the whole thing in 10 questions, without the name-calling dispute in it. Please answer each one directly, separately, clearly, and distinctly. "Yes" or "No" would be most appropriate for 1-5 and 7-10. If you cannot do that, then I think you are making it very clear that you cannot approach this matter on even semi-objective ground, and the name-calling angle is just a ploy to keep from admitting your position on the actual subject of interest to the country.
Here, I'll show you how to do it.
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
5. No.
6. She should shut up and either pay for her own pills, get another plan, or go to another college, AND she should admit that she's really a left-wing activist trying to help President Obama and the Democratic Party.
7. No.
8. Yes.
9. Yes.
10. Yes.
There you go. Those are my answers. Please tell me yours.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/12/2012 11:30:48 AM |
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 4:18:26 PM
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OFM, you keep making this about Rush, keep to the larger topic here. And even if this was about Rush, are you trying to say that if every sentence you said was viewed by the public for 27 years that you wouldn't have a few statements just like Rush does?? So in your building career did you ever call a migrant worker a bad name? Maybe?? Make funny jokes about a woman?? Poke fun at someone who might be gay??
Praising one, while you villify another with only political prejudice is wrong. We are all guilty of racism, sexism, etc. Or at least I don't know anyone that can convice me that in their lifetime a word or phrase didn't make them seem that way.
So with that, I think we are all in the same boat, but the difference is that I am willing to pay for my way. That is what used to be taught in this country. If you want something, you have the freedom to make sacrifices and go and get it. Now we teach people to ask for it from the government,then whine about un-equality, then go to the media, etc. But do you think she has thought once about stocking groceries at night at Piggly Wiggly, or work for minimum wage for one hour a day, or a work at a gas station on the weekends?? I bet not. |
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jstrange
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 5:03:53 PM
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OFM, you didn't get Gotcha's goat but, he showed me the piece of you he has in his hip pocket. Don't feel bad, others will be glad to scoot over and make room for ya. You can shake hands with him and a couple more.
Umm, you gonna eat that?
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CaptFritz
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 6:33:00 PM
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Uh-oh you brought up my name, this thread will go poof now.
www.advoutdoors.com
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Mixed Nutz
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 8:16:39 PM
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Well Done Gotcha'!! I applaud your research, and commitment!!
I wonder where all of the Liberals go when they know that they're on a sinking ship?
They can't out fact us, can't outright ignore the Constitution (YET!!) Can't stand to know the truth !!! And when the TRUTH, and FACTS don't agree with their arguments, they just disappear??
I say they need to stop wasting our time with frivolous arguments, and come clean on just what their objective is for the future of The United States of America!!!!!!!!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Gotcha bought you a cheerleaders jersey yet?
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Not yet, just the pom pom's.
In reviewing your own signature line, I feel compelled to ask you, what "difference" are "you" trying to contribute to America?
Just what is it that you're after?
More big government control over the citizenry? More Liberal lies about our economy? More socialist doctrine?
Or are you simply like MCV, and want all of the rest of us to make sure that you are secure in your retirement?
I know that's a lot of questions for one that's not so used to answering them, but rather asking, so take your time, and be deliberate!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Since you ask, in the last year I have been responsible for $2million worth of capitol distributed into the construction industry. I personally have hired 4 people in the last 4 months, will hire 2 more this week and have indirectly been responsible for bringing alot of people back to work. Pro-Bono, I built an incubator facility to give a platform for upstart companies to start from. Pro-Bono, I made modifications to a house for a person in a wheel chair. Should I go on?
Now I ask you the same question, what have you done to contribute to America?
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Me? Just a working stiff, trying to maintain a small construction business. (but I attend TEA Party meetings regularly!!)
But again, you've dodged my question.
I would like for you to address how your personal opinion on our political situation will ever help America?
2 million worth of capitol? Was it stimulus funds, or private?(be honest)
I do congratulate you on your pro-bono efforts! But as a Conservative, and a trying my best to be Christian, isn't that what we are supposed to do? Do I owe you for taking charge of a situation and helping a fellow American out? "NO"!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
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Mixed Nutz
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 8:24:40 PM
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Gotcha' 28, Fishinmission 0!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!! |
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 11:36:14 PM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
OK, we've entertained your "name-calling" distraction attempt long enough. Now, answer the questions that pertain to the subject of actual importance to the country on BOTH sides of the disagreement. I'll clarify them even more.
1. Do you agree that Ms. Fluke is out of line to demand that coverage for birth-control pills be mandated by law, even at Catholic schools, and even to people who only "need" it to have sex without having babies? YES or NO?
2. Should Obamacare cover birth control and abortafacients for all applicants or require that private insurance companies do so? YES or NO?
3. Should colleges and employers have to offer plans that cover them? YES or NO?
4. Should religious institutions that object to birth control on religioius grounds be forced to participate in insurance plans that cover birth control? Yes or no?
5. What if no insurance plans exist, at any given time, that will cover those things? Should the government then make insurance companies, colleges, or employers cover or pay for them THEN? YES or NO?
6. Should Ms. Fluke just drop her pursuit and either pay for her own pills, buy a policy tht covers them, or go to another college that covers them, or is she right to push for others to spring for the pills--and to conveniently drag that fight into the political battle that just HAPPENS to be going on right now with the new Obamacare laws and administrative position?
7. Is it all just a happenstance that this all plays together so nicely for the Democrats? Yes or no.
8. Is Sandra Fluke an established left-wing political activist on birth control and abortion? Yes or no.
9. Has Sandra Fluke advocated insurance coverage for sex changes? Yes or no.
10. Is this whole thing really about saving face for the Democratic Party in response to the backlash they got when they tried to force the Catholic Church to fund insurance that covers birth control? Yes or no?
That's the whole thing in 10 questions, without the name-calling dispute in it. Please answer each one directly, separately, clearly, and distinctly. "Yes" or "No" would be most appropriate for 1-5 and 7-10. If you cannot do that, then I think you are making it very clear that you cannot approach this matter on even semi-objective ground, and the name-calling angle is just a ploy to keep from admitting your position on the actual subject of interest to the country.
Here, I'll show you how to do it.
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
5. No.
6. She should shut up and either pay for her own pills, get another plan, or go to another college, AND she should admit that she's really a left-wing activist trying to help President Obama and the Democratic Party.
7. No.
8. Yes.
9. Yes.
10. Yes.
There you go. Those are my answers. Please tell me yours.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
I wont answer any questions until you cite the references I asked for, because personally I think you made them up or pulled mis guided exerts from them to make you look good. Better yet, I'll post the article for you, so everyone can see how you maliciously pull information from wher it looks best for your position all the while hiding the real information the article has to bear.
http://swampland.time.com/2012/03/08/sandra-fluke-on-her-role-in-the-contraception-controversy-i-would-do-this-again/
Lets be honest here you tend to do that alot and make stuff up to sound good for your cheerleaders, just as you made up my position on sex changes and made up my position on Ms. Fluke herself.
Let's shed a little more light for the audience at home. You find it outrageous that someone would go before congress and ask for health insurance to cover birth control. HOW DARE SHE DO SUCH A THING.?! But where is the outrage at Rush calling her a slut, a prostitute, saying she is having so much sex she can't walk and suggesting Fluke could repay the debt by posting pornographic videos online. All those things are OK, just don't try to speak before congress about a topic I'm against. I think it speaks volumes about your character that you would not find outrage in all those things Rush has said, nor was there outrage at the other dumbass Rush comments i posted. I think cause deep down you agree with those things. Insert Hazrdous' signature line here.
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on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by dixiedog02
OFM, you keep making this about Rush, keep to the larger topic here. And even if this was about Rush, are you trying to say that if every sentence you said was viewed by the public for 27 years that you wouldn't have a few statements just like Rush does?? So in your building career did you ever call a migrant worker a bad name? Maybe?? Make funny jokes about a woman?? Poke fun at someone who might be gay??
Praising one, while you villify another with only political prejudice is wrong. We are all guilty of racism, sexism, etc. Or at least I don't know anyone that can convice me that in their lifetime a word or phrase didn't make them seem that way.
So with that, I think we are all in the same boat, but the difference is that I am willing to pay for my way. That is what used to be taught in this country. If you want something, you have the freedom to make sacrifices and go and get it. Now we teach people to ask for it from the government,then whine about un-equality, then go to the media, etc. But do you think she has thought once about stocking groceries at night at Piggly Wiggly, or work for minimum wage for one hour a day, or a work at a gas station on the weekends?? I bet not.
Dixie, no I have never said anything as derogatory as the quotes I posted earlier except for my comments about Rush, and he deserves everything I said. He is a bigot, a racist and by his own assertion a junkie and always will be. My argument has always been about Rush and the people that find humor in his derogatory and slanderous comments. I agree with you and I am willing to pay my own way and always have. I lost my job 4 years ago, I didn't get in the welfare line. I looked at a couple of the other guys that were laid off as well, went out, beat the streets, found work and asked them if they wanted a job. Read the article below, I think it will give some insight into her actions, whether you agree with them or not. Gotcha pulled out exerts of this article but wouldn't post the link because it was (**()ing to his argument. You should at least read the whole thing, not paraphrased to try and bolster anothers argument and one that doesn't claim Fox news exerts to be from Time as Gotcha did.
http://swampland.time.com/2012/03/08/sandra-fluke-on-her-role-in-the-contraception-controversy-i-would-do-this-again/
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson |
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 11:53:51 PM
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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Gotcha' 28, Fishinmission 0!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Way to go Chester
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 10:57:12 AM
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
I wont answer any questions until you cite the references I asked for, because personally I think you made them up or pulled mis guided exerts from them to make you look good. Better yet, I'll post the article for you, so everyone can see how you maliciously pull information from wher it looks best for your position all the while hiding the real information the article has to bear.
http://swampland.time.com/2012/03/08/sandra-fluke-on-her-role-in-the-contraception-controversy-i-would-do-this-again/
Lets be honest here you tend to do that alot and make stuff up to sound good for your cheerleaders, just as you made up my position on sex changes and made up my position on Ms. Fluke herself.
Let's shed a little more light for the audience at home. You find it outrageous that someone would go before congress and ask for health insurance to cover birth control. HOW DARE SHE DO SUCH A THING.?! But where is the outrage at Rush calling her a slut, a prostitute, saying she is having so much sex she can't walk and suggesting Fluke could repay the debt by posting pornographic videos online. All those things are OK, just don't try to speak before congress about a topic I'm against. I think it speaks volumes about your character that you would not find outrage in all those things Rush has said, nor was there outrage at the other dumbass Rush comments i posted. I think cause deep down you agree with those things. Insert Hazrdous' signature line here.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
More completely false information from OnaFishinMission! The fun will never end!
I will expose your false statements below with evidence.
First, I posted my questions BEFORE you asked me to post the link to the Time article, so you have NO EXCUSE for not answering my questions. I first asked the questions on page 7, but didn't even mention the Timearticle until page 8.
Second, I also have no problem posting the link, and frankly, I'm GLAD you posted it, because it proves me right and shows you exposes your false statements. I would have posted it earlier, but I got sidetracked with all the other posts in the argument going on, and I thought anyone with two fingers could Google it for themselves.
Third, yes, that article you linked above is the Time article I was citing; however, you must not have actually READ that article, OFM because it says everything I said it does--EVEYTHING I quoted is IN that article word for word. So, when you say I "made it up", you are either lying, didn't read the article, or don't understand what you're reading. REEEEEAD it! ONCE AGAIN, the article that you post proves you wrong and your opponent right.
Below (Exhibit A) are the statements I made in my post about that Time article and the paragraphs where each quote occurs in the article. It proves you 100% wrong, and me 100% accurate.
Exhibit A:
1. "But as Fluke will tell you, she has been a womens rights activist since college" -- Paragraph 7
2. "a third-year law student at Georgetown University and former president of the Students for Reproductive Justice group there" -- Photo Subtitle
3. "[she] belonged to a pro-choice organization called Students Acting for Gender Equality; a Cornell student newspaper clip from 2002 recounts her role in a counter-protest against an anti-abortion group" -- Paragraph 8
4. "the victim of a crude personal attack, [Fluke] became a pawn in a political chess match." -- Paragraph 6
The article is obviously written from a left-leaning slant, also. Anyone even partially objective can easily see that.
Below (Exhibit B) is my original post on the Time article. It is clear to see that I did not "make up" anything. It's all there in black and white.
Exhibit B:
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
Hey, Mr. OnaFishinMission,
Time Magazine just proved those other sources RIGHT. Remember how you disputed the articles that said Ms. Fluke was an activist and where I said she was a chess piece in the Democrat political game. Remember how you blew it all off because you said the sources were biased to the right. Weeeeell, NOW the left-leaning Time Magazine just backed us up, PROVING that Ms. Fluke IS a leftist activist, has been for years, and they evern used MY EXACT WORDS to describe her as a political game piece.
Time says, "But as Fluke will tell you, she has been a womens rights activist since college", "a third-year law student at Georgetown University and former president of the Students for Reproductive Justice group there", "[she] belonged to a pro-choice organization called Students Acting for Gender Equality; a Cornell student newspaper clip from 2002 recounts her role in a counter-protest against an anti-abortion group"; "the victim of a crude personal attack, [Fluke] became a pawn in a political chess match."
OOPS!! Even the obviously left-biased Time admits that she's an activist! TOUCHDOWN!
As you can clearly see, every single word I quoted is in the article, in black and white. I did not make anything up; thus, you just "slandered" (Libeled) me again, according to your own standard.
Fourth, as for your false statements regarding my position on Rush's comments, I will direct you to review my statements on previous pages of this same thread (Exhibits C through E), where I clearly denounced his comments--proving you to be making yet another FALSE attack on me (more "slander"/libel).
Exhibit C:
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
I never really listened to Rush that much and haven't in years. I've probably heard him two or three times in the last 20 years. I never liked some of the comments he made about homeless people in general in the 90's. [...]
So, I can totally relate with why so many people like Rush, even though I personally find him to be a bit--for lack of a better description--off track on some of what he says, and I never really listen to talk radio, except on rare occasions[...]
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
Exhibit D:
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
Mcvlbound, it's absolutely true that some use birth control pills for valid medicinal reasons. That's a fact. [...]
Exhibit E:
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
I don't agree with anyone calling any specific person names, OFM.
Exhibit F:
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
Again, for the record, I don't agree with calling Ms. Fluke OR Limbaugh epithetical names. The truth--which the false critics have fully illustrated above--is that this is really about politics, not name calling.
Exhibit G:
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
No, MC, I have NOT defended Rush for calling anyone a slut. [...] I have said multiple times here that I disagree with Rush calling people names and that it's wrong.
Exhibit H:
[quote]Originally posted by gotchacovered
You're as bad or worse than Rush Limbaugh, OFM.
WOW, I sure DENOUNCED Rush's comments a LOT for you to STILL be saying that I condone them!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You are BUSTED AGAIN! You just MADE UP a FALSE ACCUSATION about me--AGAIN. AWESOME way to illustrate your hypocrisy even further!!
FIFTH, you DID (and still are) arguing with the idea that Sandra Fluke is an activist who advocates sex-change coverage. I've never seen the cake-and-eat-it-too ploy played quite this way before.
Now, for the final dark statement by OnaFishinMission. You implied that I am a false Christian!!?? WOW.
Drumroll, please. OnaFishinMission just implied spoke several false accusations against me, and even implied that I am a false Christian, but he says he has a problem with Rush Limbaugh calling a political activist a "slut".
BadaBING!! LOL!!
In summary, anyone who examines the evidence above can clearly see that it is YOU who is making things up and acting contrary to Judeo-Christian values, OFM.
OK, NOW ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 11:07:22 AM
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Here's the short version.
OnaFishinMission, you just made more false accusations and false statements.
1. The Time article you linked is the one I referenced, and it says EXACTLY what I quoted from it, word for word. I made NOTHING up.
2. You just "slandered" (libeled) me with false accusations regarding Rush also; I have DENOUNCED his comments here several times.
3. You DID argue against the posts asserting that Sandra Fluke is an activist who advocates sex-change coverage (and you still are by arguing with the statements).
4. You just implied that I am a false Christian based on a FALSE accusation against me, which I just proved false. Excellent display of hypocrisy while complaining about Rush'sname-calling.
My proof is in the post above this one. After you read it, I have a request.
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
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gotchacovered
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18079 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2012 : 11:13:50 AM
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz
Gotcha' 28, Fishinmission 0!!
...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!
Way to go Chester
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
I can't believe this. LOL. Here you are complaining about Rush calling an activist a bad name, and right after you tell DixieDog that you never call people such names, you call Mixed Nutz a derrogatory name--right after making false accusations against me and attacking my religious status. Is that what "Christians" do? 
I don't even have to say anything. You prove my point all by yourself.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/13/2012 11:15:18 AM |
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