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soup
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 Posted - 03/02/2012 : 10:49:38 AM
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Yesterday she said that providing contraceptive, abortifacient, and sterilization services saves money by preventing pregnancy. (Maybe this is true, maybe not). But, in conjuction with the United States Preventative Services Task Force and the Independent Payment Advisory Board, it appears that an overall agenda of Obamacare is to control population at both ends.
Not providing services to extend life may affect all demographic groups equally. Precluding pregnancies may not affect all demographic groups equally. Which population uses these services--free or not- more or less than the others? Caucasians, blacks, Latinos, others?.
Not only will Obamacare lead to population growth below replacement numbers but may produce a dramatic shift in the demographics of the country.
Montesquieu said " There are two sorts of tyranny; a real one, which consists in the violence of the government, and one of opinion, which is felt when those who govern establish things that may run counter to a nation's way of thinking." |
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saltydog235
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 12:23:29 PM
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Soup, what do you know about the issue of the Obamacare bill not having a "Seperation Clause" and therefore being unlawful, Unconstitutional and in violation of the Interstate commerce clause. I caught a few seconds of the traling end of this on a new talk program last night and didn't get the whole thing.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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soup
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 12:54:48 PM
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Salty, maybe you're talking about the Severance Clause. Apparently there is no provision in the Obamacare bill to separate out the individual mandate. So, if the individual mandate is ruled unconstitutional because it violates the Commerce Clause, then the whole thing is unconstitutional.
But, I wouldn't place too much faith in the SC because Scalia and Roberts have some unique views of the Commerce Clause.
Either the thing is repealed (looking pretty dim), it survives with massive tax increases and rationing, or it falls due to its own weight. |
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mhebbard
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 1:25:12 PM
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Can you clarify some of these positions that you have spelled out here? There is a lot of innuendo, but I dont want to put words in your mouth, so I would like to know exactly what you think about these two parts of your above statement.
Which groups use these services that you are describing more or less often?
What kinds of demographic shifts are you anticipating, if we assume that the healthcare laws you are against stay the same? |
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saltydog235
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 1:59:39 PM
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That's it, Severance Clause. I just heard little bit on it but that's the first time I've heard it brought up. Didn't know if there is any validity to it.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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soup
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 2:29:25 PM
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In general, you should understand that the ramifications of Obamacare pertain only to those who live under its dictates.
Firstly, Obamacare advocates a culture of death for older individuals. That won't adversely affect the overall population. For individuals in the child bearing ages it fosters population control. That would adversly affect the population replacement rate. Eventually the country could reach the status of Europe which has gone years at birth rates below replacement rates and now doesn't have enough native workers to support the social welfare system.
Secondly, the answer to your second question depends uupon the answer to the first. Theoretically, the demographics could shift toward any particular group depending upon unequal frequency of use of contraceptive and abortive services by the assorted groups.
The scenario has been thrown out there. Do your own research and come with your own demographic shifts. |
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Reelly Old
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 4:08:50 PM
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Didn't know if there is any validity to it.
Severance has been discussed since the bill was passed. Fox panels frequently discussed how dimocrats might have shot themselves in the foot in their rush to nuke the Republicans.
Solutions Are Sometimes So Simple As To Be Overlooked.
A. If men want to marry men, let them.
B. If women want to marry women, so be it.
C. If Women want an abortion, let them abort.
D. If free contraception is a right, uphold it.
In Three Generations There Will be Not Be Enough Liberal Dimocrats Left To Elect Anyone!
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soup
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 4:14:09 PM
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Reelly Old
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 01:54:23 AM
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Good to see that you recognize that legislation can change demograhics.
Oh, we've only experienced a mild flatus compared to the legislative explosion to come if Obama wins and takes Congress with it. Legislation can change most anything, Constitutional legislation maybe not so much ... 
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Sebelius acknowledges the eugenics of Obamacare
