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sshaarda
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 Posted - 03/02/2012 : 3:13:35 PM
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OK, so this is my line of thinking. So, this administration has argued that it is our collective responsibility under the constitution to pay for a womans contraceptives (which I disagree that it is a constitutional right).
How about applying that exact same logic to my second amendment constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Shouldn't this administration also then purchase my guns and ammo?
Just sayin....
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu
Ecclesiastes 10:2
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sea tonic
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 6:05:29 PM
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Constitutional right???? Not sure about that.
But it is preventative health care....pay for the contraceptives now vs. the alternative...unwanted pregnancies, child care, foster care, adoption expenses, etc.
Paying for contraceptives is much more reasonable than paying for life style medications/procedures like ED drugs or liposuction or gastric bypass or any of the plethora of cosmetic surgeries that are paid by insurance. |
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soup
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 6:28:10 PM
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Sea Tonic--the issue is that the HHS mandate is part of a bunch of mandates of Obamacare. Do you understand the concept of a gov't mandate?
What makes you think that the majority of those females with "unwanted pregnancies" consider them "unwanted pregnancies" or wanted to take advantage of the massive access to contraceptives measures already existing before they did the big nasty? |
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sshaarda
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 06:37:00 AM
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Originally posted by sea tonic
Constitutional right???? Not sure about that.
But it is preventative health care....pay for the contraceptives now vs. the alternative...unwanted pregnancies, child care, foster care, adoption expenses, etc.
Paying for contraceptives is much more reasonable than paying for life style medications/procedures like ED drugs or liposuction or gastric bypass or any of the plethora of cosmetic surgeries that are paid by insurance.
SeaTonic, I agree that healthcare is not mentioned as a "right" under the constitution. I am exposing absurdity by being absurd. The Supreme Court will be deciding the constitutionality of this mess this summer.
However, it makes perfect sense to me if a woman claims that we MUST pay for her contraceptives so she can have as much recreational sex as she wants, for me to then demand that she pay for my ammo so I can have as much recreational fun as I want.
See where it ends folks. No. Me either.
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu
Ecclesiastes 10:2
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F200 Yam |
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saltydog235
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 08:41:02 AM
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Just like I don't want the goobermint in my bedroom, I'd prefer them to stay out of my safe. But if they insist, I got some goodies I'd love to have.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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Hurricane701
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 06:48:29 AM
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Not saying the government should pay for contraceptives, but did y'all listen to Fluke's statement, the one in which Rush called her a slut and the one for which all this craziness that people are arguing government shouldn't pay for contraceptives?? If someone did, please tell me what she is actually arguing, constructively and not what FoxNews said. I just want to know that people actually look at both sides of an issue, instead of I am a Democrat this is right, or I am a Republican and this is right.
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
goes home through the alley.
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sshaarda
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 08:20:11 AM
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Originally posted by Hurricane701
Not saying the government should pay for contraceptives, but did y'all listen to Fluke's statement, the one in which Rush called her a slut and the one for which all this craziness that people are arguing government shouldn't pay for contraceptives?? If someone did, please tell me what she is actually arguing, constructively and not what FoxNews said. I just want to know that people actually look at both sides of an issue, instead of I am a Democrat this is right, or I am a Republican and this is right.
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
goes home through the alley.
-Anonymous
She is asking/demanding that Georgetown University pay for contraceptives for their students. So, the question is, Why; because Kathleen Sebelius (you know, our H & HS Secretary) has proclaimed that it is our collective responsibility to PAY FOR every womans contraception. That includes churches and para church organizations (like Georgetown U). Now, they don't have to pay for it DIRECTLY. No! Their insurance company MUST provide it for them.
That is the problem Hurricane. Not a democrat / republican thing. It is a CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM issue. Show me in the constitution where it says that the federal government can force a company to provide all health care services? Why didn't our forefathers provide this for us in the constitution? Wasn't life precious to them back in the 1700's? It is spelled out in 1 word: Freedom.
That lady has the right to sleep with anyone she chooses/ male or female. I do NOT care. Nor do I want to see her denied the OPPORTUNITY to protect her womb with contraceptives. I just don't want to be FORCED to pay for it.
Just like I am sure an anti gun anti second amendment liberal doesn't want to pay for my guns and ammo (which, by the way, is a RIGHT granted by the constitution).  See the hypocrisy here???
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu
Ecclesiastes 10:2
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Hurricane701
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 1:45:28 PM
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It isn't about SEX its about Health ... It isn't for birth control it's because it assist in care for ovarian cyst ... that is her point and it is mine .... Are you saying we shouldn't have insurance at all ?? Her insurance would be private and provided through Georgetown. She isn't lobbying welfare groups, shes trying to help a friend. Listen to her short address to the committee and then discuss it.
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
goes home through the alley.
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saltydog235
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 2:03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Hurricane701
It isn't about SEX its about Health ... It isn't for birth control it's because it assist in care for ovarian cyst ... that is her point and it is mine .... Are you saying we shouldn't have insurance at all ?? Her insurance would be private and provided through Georgetown. She isn't lobbying welfare groups, shes trying to help a friend. Listen to her short address to the committee and then discuss it.
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
goes home through the alley.
-Anonymous
If she can afford to go to GU Law then she can afford to pay the pittance that birth control costs, it isn't that espensive. Maybe cut out the trip to Starbucks every morning and buy coffee by the pound at the grocery store. Maybe not go out and party every weekend or eat in. Ther is a way to do anything if you have the desire to succeed at it. Its not society's responsibility to pay for the individual be it health care, education or general welfare. Get out, get a job and work. BTW, don't even go there with she has to study all the time, she's in Law School or any of that other BS. My wife's a juris docterate and worked her way through her masters program and Law School. Doctors do the same thing, thousands of people make their own way without handouts, its called hard work and sacrificing.
This is about Constitutionality, Freedom, and personal responsibility. You alone are responsible for your actions and your success or failure isn't mine or anyone else's cross to bear. BTW no one has yet proven that this girl isn't a slut have they?
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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soup
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 2:05:06 PM
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Hurricane 701
Fluke admitted in her own testimony that Georgetown's student insurance does, IN FACT, cover drugs that can be used as coontraceptives it they are requested for MEDICAL reasons. So does Georgetown's insurance handbook.
Furthermore, the HHS mandate does NOT require free coverage for cyst treatments. If that cyst were to be treated with any drug or therapy on the planet other than contraceptives, apparently HHS and the mandate's supporters are fine with the treatment being dealth with like all other non-PREVENTATIVE services.
It is obvious that the activists are really concerned with HHS covering the prevention of pregnancy, as if pregnany were a disease. |
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sshaarda
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 2:09:04 PM
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HHS is about complete and total control of our lives. Pure and simple.
Hard to believe how far backwards this lady has taken the feminist movement. Remember when feminist women wanted government OUT of their lives and did NOT want government telling them what they can (or can't) do with their bodies? Now, they are ALL FOR IT.
Again, hypocrisy.
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu
Ecclesiastes 10:2
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gotchacovered
Prolific Poster
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 2:25:27 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Hurricane701
It isn't about SEX its about Health ... It isn't for birth control it's because it assist in care for ovarian cyst ... that is her point and it is mine .... Are you saying we shouldn't have insurance at all ?? Her insurance would be private and provided through Georgetown. She isn't lobbying welfare groups, shes trying to help a friend. Listen to her short address to the committee and then discuss it.
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
goes home through the alley.
-Anonymous
I mean no offense, but you must be kidding. The girl majored in "Feminist, Sexual, and Gender Related Studies". It IS about sex because contraceptives are already covered when prescribed for medicinal purposes, and her own references include people who aren't on the pill for valid health reasons. She has no right to coverage for birth control and no reasonable right to badger her college to provide it. She only has a right to get what she agreed to get for her money when she SIGNED the contract at her school. If she doesn't like it, she can go to another school, buy another policy, or, better yet, pay her $5/month for the pills like everyone else.
I say that it's time we all quit pretending here. Don't we all know that this is nothing but a political STUNT to give momentum to the Democrat party for including contraceptive and abortafacient coverage in Obamacare--and pushing it on Cathlic institutions? That is obvious to probably at least 100 million people.
If this was really just about Fluke helping a friend, wouldn't she just give the friend $5/month for the pills? We're talking $60 per year.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
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Hurricane701
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/07/2012 : 12:53:36 AM
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I can agree to disagree on this subject. Because we won't see the same way, that's what is great about this country. I think Rush took a bad approach to this, not that Fluke is right or wrong. That was what my main issue was. Hey at least we probably agree on gun rights, and death penalty.
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
goes home through the alley.
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jstrange
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/07/2012 : 06:44:32 AM
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I think that what has come to light here is that she is in fact a prostitute for the Democrat Party. In word and deed.
Certainly she is screwing the institution she is attending with premeditation.
Umm, you gonna eat that?
Thousands have died to save my freedom. Only one has died to save my soul! |
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hhi angler
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/07/2012 : 10:31:32 AM
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| Rush got out hustled by a smart law student who was involved in a staged presentation. She was barred from testifying before the Congressional committee so the DNC set up a phony hearing and this student got the attention she wanted. |
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cataddict
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/07/2012 : 11:31:37 AM
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| just one question,, Gotchcovered, where are you getting this $5 price for Birth control from. I don't know what off brand the girls you're sleeping with are using but that number is way off. There are a few crappy ones under $20 but most are pushing $50. I prefer that those I am with use the good stuff, I'd hate to have to use the coat hanger. |
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