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Redstripe
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 Posted - 03/21/2012 : 12:51:39 PM
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| How many of you believe it or not?? This past 4-6 months is the most bizzare thing I have ever seen in my life. Absolutely no winter, Spring is here over a month early. All the trees in the upstate into Charlotte are in full bloom, or done blooming. The last 8 out of 10 summers have broken records. Maybe it's a natural cycle, maybe it's caused by to much carbon, that I think you can debate. I think to ignore the obvious is silly. Honestly I don't know how anyone can debate that it's warmer now than it was 20-30 years ago. |
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Bonzo72
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 1:02:08 PM
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Honestly I don't know how anyone can debate that it's warmer now than it was 20-30 years ago.
agree with you there...I guess the issue is whether it is man-made or just natural climatology...there is no doubt man has not helped the environment in the last 200 years, but do we think we can affect it so much that we have actual climate change because of it? yes, I think so...
and to address the early Spring, I hear ya...I've already cut the grass weeds twice this year and all my flowers and plants are going nuts...the ducks are so worried about mating right now we have to keep the cat inside...or they'll try to hump him too! 
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 1:20:16 PM
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Do you really think that "we" altered the climate in 1 year? Think about it...was it like this last year? As redstripe said he has not seen this in 20-30 years. So did "we" cause this temperature increase in this last year.
I think not.
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
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DFreedom
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 1:30:17 PM
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| Who knows for sure but, I have seen articles that say the environment has had unusual "adjustments" throughout the history of the earth and that recent weather is just that. |
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Blue_Runner
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 1:31:48 PM
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Q. What caused global warming after the last ice age over 10,000 years ago?
A. The same thing that is causing it now.
It ain't no mystery...this beer's history! |
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skinneej
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 2:53:29 PM
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Yeah, we have had a number of ice ages and marked global warming and cooling over the past hundreds of thousands of years. You will always have fluxuations, so taking only one data point (i.e. this year) to mark a trend isn't very reliable. Don't you remember all the hype about "El Nino" a decade or so back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o-Southern_Oscillation)? Is it even discussed any more?
So, do I believe in "Global Warming"? Sure. It's been documented to have been happening over the past hundreds of thousands of years, if not more. Do I believe that man is going to cause the planet to overheat and destroy the Earth because Captain Rick uses too much hairspray and other grooming products? No way...
Worry about the real threat to humanity and that is the super virus. Our next major catastrophe is going to be a significant portion of the popluation being killed off in a natural cycle from a deadly virus (probably a flu variant).
In the mean time, I had a lot of money invested in natural gas and this warm winter did not help those investments for sure!!! |
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saltydog235
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 3:21:13 PM
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I just call it weather. Can't do anything to change it, can't do anything but accept it on live day to day. No big deal.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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Blue_Runner
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 3:32:29 PM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Worry about the real threat to humanity and that is the super virus. Our next major catastrophe is going to be a significant portion of the popluation being killed off in a natural cycle from a deadly virus (probably a flu variant).
No, the real threat is over population. Sounds like this super virus is actually the solution!
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skinneej
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 4:34:04 PM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Worry about the real threat to humanity and that is the super virus. Our next major catastrophe is going to be a significant portion of the popluation being killed off in a natural cycle from a deadly virus (probably a flu variant).
No, the real threat is over population. Sounds like this super virus is actually the solution!
It ain't no mystery...this beer's history!
Yes, but I think that they kind of go hand in hand. Overpopulated areas tend to spread viruses\disease very well. |
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 5:20:28 PM
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Salty, I'm with you. Its called weather. let mother nature be, She's a fickle b1tch
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
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Cracker Larry
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 6:08:09 PM
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Yes, but I think that they kind of go hand in hand. Overpopulated areas tend to spread viruses\disease very well.
Like cruise ships.
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So, do I believe in "Global Warming"? Sure. It's been documented to have been happening over the past hundreds of thousands of years, if not more. Do I believe that man is going to cause the planet to overheat and destroy the Earth because Captain Rick uses too much hairspray and other grooming products? No way...
I'm with ya. If there was a beer cheer emoticon, I'd use it
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 6:12:29 PM
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Is the "beer cheer" for the global warming part or Capt. Ricks affinity to grooming products
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
23 Sea Hunt "My Last Boat V"
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opossum
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 8:20:02 PM
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| Global warming is happening. I've never heard any legitimate source or authority claim that a single warm day, season, or year has anything to do with it. I thought that was common knowledge. I'm not sure what there is to "believe" in? Whether it has anything to do with our carbon emissions? |
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 9:10:58 PM
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For those that believe, how much has the earth's temperature risen in the last 100 years?
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Redstripe
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 10:40:14 PM
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| Many staunch republican idealoges flat out refuse to admit it's exsistance. In fact if they do it becomes part of "not being conservative enough". I'm an Independant that mostly votes republican btw. I buy into the fact that carbon has caused it, not in the last year, but last 50 - 100 years. I don't see what can be done about it though. Kinda lile a heart attack or stroke. What's done is done. |
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Redstripe
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 10:44:05 PM
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| Many staunch republican idealoges flat out refuse to admit it's exsistance. In fact if they do it becomes part of "not being conservative enough". I'm an Independant that mostly votes republican btw. I buy into the fact that carbon has caused it, not in the last year, but last 50 - 100 years. I don't see what can be done about it though. Kinda lile a heart attack or stroke. What's done is done. |
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PalmerScott
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Posted - 03/21/2012 : 11:21:43 PM
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Originally posted by Redstripe
Many staunch republican idealoges flat out refuse to admit it's exsistance. In fact if they do it becomes part of "not being conservative enough". I'm an Independant that mostly votes republican btw. I buy into the fact that carbon has caused it, not in the last year, but last 50 - 100 years. I don't see what can be done about it though. Kinda lile a heart attack or stroke. What's done is done.
Most who would be refered to as 'skeptics' completely agree that we are warming. We are coming out of an ice age, after all. We should be warming. And, the instrumental record (actual measurements, not model output) shows that. Most skeptics also agree that the greenhouse effect is real. In general, more green house gases would make us warmer.
The skepticism resides in the how much are we contributing via CO2.
The total increase in the greenhouse effect from human CO2 is 0.017%. Tiny.
The alarmists say that there are positive feedbacks that amplify that tiny number to the point that it is roasting the Earth.
Well, there are so many holes in it. None, I say none of the predictions put out in the alarmists IPCC reports have come true. They ranged from dramatic sea level rise, to the meltin gof the Himalayas, to massive coral die offs due to ocean acidification, etc. When those predictions were made, we had no way to test them. Now, we can. Many of the predictions were on the century scale. We're now 15+ years past the predictions.
When we compare them to the actual measurement data over the past 15 years, they all fail or are at least found to be severely exaggerated.
Sea level rise is not accelerating.
Kilamnajaro and the Himalayas are not melting, at least not nearly as fast as predicted.
Arctic sea ice extent has been fairly stable for the past ten years or so. Antarctic sea ice extent has grown. You never hear that, do you?
The global climate models predicted a warming area in the middle atmosphere over the tropics. Never happened. This was fundamental to how they thought the atmosphere worked.
Plenty of polar bears and penguins.
Etc.
Etc.
There are plenty of very good reasons to be good stewards of our environment and resources. We don't need to make up problems that will just make us waste money on unneeded solutions.
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 07:01:52 AM
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Originally posted by PalmerScott
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Originally posted by Redstripe
Many staunch republican idealoges flat out refuse to admit it's exsistance. In fact if they do it becomes part of "not being conservative enough". I'm an Independant that mostly votes republican btw. I buy into the fact that carbon has caused it, not in the last year, but last 50 - 100 years. I don't see what can be done about it though. Kinda lile a heart attack or stroke. What's done is done.
Most who would be refered to as 'skeptics' completely agree that we are warming. We are coming out of an ice age, after all. We should be warming. And, the instrumental record (actual measurements, not model output) shows that. Most skeptics also agree that the greenhouse effect is real. In general, more green house gases would make us warmer.
The skepticism resides in the how much are we contributing via CO2.
The total increase in the greenhouse effect from human CO2 is 0.017%. Tiny.
The alarmists say that there are positive feedbacks that amplify that tiny number to the point that it is roasting the Earth.
Well, there are so many holes in it. None, I say none of the predictions put out in the alarmists IPCC reports have come true. They ranged from dramatic sea level rise, to the meltin gof the Himalayas, to massive coral die offs due to ocean acidification, etc. When those predictions were made, we had no way to test them. Now, we can. Many of the predictions were on the century scale. We're now 15+ years past the predictions.
When we compare them to the actual measurement data over the past 15 years, they all fail or are at least found to be severely exaggerated.
Sea level rise is not accelerating.
Kilamnajaro and the Himalayas are not melting, at least not nearly as fast as predicted.
Arctic sea ice extent has been fairly stable for the past ten years or so. Antarctic sea ice extent has grown. You never hear that, do you?
The global climate models predicted a warming area in the middle atmosphere over the tropics. Never happened. This was fundamental to how they thought the atmosphere worked.
Plenty of polar bears and penguins.
Etc.
Etc.
There are plenty of very good reasons to be good stewards of our environment and resources. We don't need to make up problems that will just make us waste money on unneeded solutions.
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17' Henry O Hornet
26' Palmer Scott
New data shows that sea levels are rising at an accelerated pace and ice packs are diminishing at an alarming rate.
Some of the most compelling data comes from a recent NASA article that states In its recently released Fourth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 90 percent probability that human activities over the past 250 years have warmed our planet.
Data is overwhelming that man has contributed dramatically to climate change and many people choose to ingore the data.
http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/us-climate-sealevels-idUSTRE8171RH20120208
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2011-05-03-arctic-climate-change-sea-levels_n.htm
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/thick-melt.html
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 07:13:03 AM
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"90 percent probability that human activities over the past 250 years have warmed our planet"
How much has the earth's temperature risen in those 250 years? What exactly were humans doing 250 years ago that contributed to the "warming"?
Do you believers believe in the ice age?
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 07:44:39 AM
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Average temperature rise was about 5 degrees. Doesnt seem like much but this is the average over the entire earth. Locally some areas have risen by 40 degrees F. In fact, in the last 50 years the artic has seen an increase of 10 degrees F. That is very, very substantial.
250 years ago was before the Industrial Revolution and since then CO2 in the atmosphere have risen nearly 40 percent.
I do believe in the ice ages but we can look at data in fossils and ancient ice to determine if the rate of temperature has increased from ice age to ice age and it has. We are warming at a much faster rate than the earth did coming out of previous ice ages.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson |
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Bonzo72
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Area 51
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 07:49:08 AM
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You Global warming ****offs better start warning people about the dangers of Halley's Comet in 2062.
Lets not forget about Y3K in 988 years. |
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TexasRed
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 07:51:13 AM
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I spent my formative years in the Permian Basin of West Texas and New Mexico. This is a huge desert area covering thousands of square miles of arid desert. My dad was a drilling superentendant for a major oil company out of Midland, Texas and spent over 40 years of his life drilling for oil all over the world. According to the "experts" (geologists and such) the oil deposits in the Permian Basin were created by decaying sea life deposited on the ocean floor millions of years ago when the Permian Basin was a huge sea. The seas receded and the area became a swamp and eventually a desert. Fossils from the area depict sea creatures and later plants and animals that thrive in hot, humid and moist environments. While I am a skeptic about "man-made" global warming, I do agree that the climate is changing. Back in the 70's the cry was global freezing. Now, it's global warming. I read a commencement speech by an electrical engineer, given in 2009. Here's a link:
http://www.questar.com/1OurCompany/newsreleases/2009_news/UVUSpeech.pdf
It's about global warming, the "energy crisis" and green energy. While I was in the industry for many years and around it my entire life, there are people a lot smarter than me out there and I know it. So I read, listen, study and honestly, try to keep an open mind. Every opinion of every person is formed by thier life experiences, beliefs and prejudices based on the life THEY have lived and viewed through the lenses of thier slant on things. While I value opinions, the facts are the facts. The world is changing. How much is man contributing is the question.
19' Sea-Pro CC
"Swagger Wagon"
Yamaha 115 - 2 stroke
14' CMF Skiff
25 Johnson - 2 stroke
14' Heritage Redfish
"There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 07:56:04 AM
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I have not read 1 study that has said 5 degrees. I have read about a fraction of 1 degree.
I dont disagree that CO2 has risen but 40%. so if there was 1% CO2 250 years ago, the earth's atmosphere is now at 40%. That is an unbelievable amount. and yet you believe.
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
23 Sea Hunt "My Last Boat V"
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Fishb8
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 08:02:41 AM
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texasred's post makes the point that the Earth has and still does change on its own. Also he brings up the global cooling of the 70s. You people are alarmist and will jump on any bandwagon you can.
Good luck building your apocalypse bunkers
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
23 Sea Hunt "My Last Boat V"
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/22/2012 : 08:05:37 AM
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Originally posted by TexasRed
I spent my formative years in the Permian Basin of West Texas and New Mexico. This is a huge desert area covering thousands of square miles of arid desert. My dad was a drilling superentendant for a major oil company out of Midland, Texas and spent over 40 years of his life drilling for oil all over the world. According to the "experts" (geologists and such) the oil deposits in the Permian Basin were created by decaying sea life deposited on the ocean floor millions of years ago when the Permian Basin was a huge sea. The seas receded and the area became a swamp and eventually a desert. Fossils from the area depict sea creatures and later plants and animals that thrive in hot, humid and moist environments. While I am a skeptic about "man-made" global warming, I do agree that the climate is changing. Back in the 70's the cry was global freezing. Now, it's global warming. I read a commencement speech by an electrical engineer, given in 2009. Here's a link:
http://www.questar.com/1OurCompany/newsreleases/2009_news/UVUSpeech.pdf
It's about global warming, the "energy crisis" and green energy. While I was in the industry for many years and around it my entire life, there are people a lot smarter than me out there and I know it. So I read, listen, study and honestly, try to keep an open mind. Every opinion of every person is formed by thier life experiences, beliefs and prejudices based on the life THEY have lived and viewed through the lenses of thier slant on things. While I value opinions, the facts are the facts. The world is changing. How much is man contributing is the question.
19' Sea-Pro CC
"Swagger Wagon"
Yamaha 115 - 2 stroke
14' CMF Skiff
25 Johnson - 2 stroke
14' Heritage Redfish
"There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."
Ernest Hemingway
Very well put TexasRed
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