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gotchacovered
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 Posted - 03/26/2012 : 09:47:39 AM
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Columbia is talking about repealing what people are calling the "stand your ground" doctrine on self-defense. Right now, if someone tries to mug you in public, you can shoot them. As I understand it, a repeal would mean that you would no longer have the right to use dealy force to defend yourself or others in public. We need to heat up some Columbia phone lines and mail boxes. We obviously need to keep people from shooting others over minor squabbles and tussles and reign in any Barny Pfifes out there with an itchy finger, but we should be able to do that without completely tossing the self-defense rights of upright citizens in the trash can. Simply put, it should not be illegal to kill someone who's trying to kill an innocent person or pointing a deadly weapon at them with criminal intent. We can't let the law SERVE the CRIMINALS. Allowance for the level of force used should be commensurate with the level of the threat. Basically, from what I understand, if they pass this repeal, then all those CWP's will be amost useless. I may be misunderstading this because I haven't read much on it, but it seems pretty dangerous to me, and it looks like a back-door attempt by the Liberals to effectively neuter the CWP laws, which they obviously hate. What's the point in carrying a gun if you can't use it when you need to? If someone has read up on this within the last day or two, please explain further.
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Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
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Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/26/2012 09:58:46 AM |
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hhi angler
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Posted - 03/26/2012 : 10:06:27 AM
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| One HR member brought this up last week. Young black guy first year from a black district. Playing to the voters using the Sanford shooting. |
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alabamafan2
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Posted - 03/26/2012 : 7:12:20 PM
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Sellers introduced it. And I'm pretty sure it is his first term but not his first year. He gave the democratic response to Haley's state of the state earlier this year. Smart kid and has been involved in some meaningful legislation across party lines. But from a common acquaintance I hear he is a spoiled rich kid with bad manners who isn't interested in much of anything other than increasing his own exposure and notoriety.
The bill proposed is garbage. Wouldn't eliminate the idea of self defense in public places but would go to "duty to retreat" as opposed to the current "stand your ground" principle. Basically means deadly force is not prohibited but can only be applied as a all else fails strategy.
The good news is that in our legislature this bill has about as much chance of passing as a bill outlawing barbecue. Sellers basically jumped way too fast at a PR opportunity and forever harmed his chances of running for any statewide office. Even the vast majority of the Democrats in this state support gun rights. |
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skinneej
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Posted - 03/26/2012 : 8:00:12 PM
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| Heck, I thought that there was already a "duty to retreat" (DTR) in SC. Guess I was wrong. Anyway, this is what sucks about the world today. Everyone expects things to be perfect all of the time. One kid get's shot in Florida and people are scrambling to change laws even though Florida dropped the DTR back in 2005. This is EXACTLY the scenario where people are willing to whore out their personal freedoms in the name of more "safety". Too bad most Americans desire to be slaves to the federal government in today's world. We need a revolution... |
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bgf
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Posted - 03/26/2012 : 8:13:58 PM
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| From what I understood when I took the course years ago, SC is a duty to retreat state in public, not on your land. |
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Mandopickr
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Posted - 03/26/2012 : 9:15:30 PM
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We had a situation in Spartanburg on Sunday where a man kicked in a church door, and entered the church pointing a shotgun at the preacher and others. Luckily, his grandson had a cwp, and he held him, with the help of others, at gunpoint until the police arrived.
The nice part of the SC version of the Castle Doctrine is that not only can you invoke the castle doctrine for yourself, but can also use it in the defense of others, as in this case. Who knows what would have happened if his grandson would not have been armed.
Of course this instance of a positive result from the castle doctrine will never make the national news. |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 08:12:30 AM
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There have been lots of postive stories like that one involving CWP's, along with lots of stories about black criminals killing unarmed "whites" with illegal guns, but the one story that gets the most press is the one where a "white" (actually hispanic) with a CWP shot an "unarmed teenager" (actually a suspended tresspasser who broke the hispanic's nose and beat him on the ground until the hispanic fired the shot, after first calling for help to a nearby witness to no avail). Make the teen a white, and the shooter a black man, the gun illegal, and it would be just another story.
It's obvious that racial groups are using this for race baiting, and Liberals are using this to attack gun rights.
Isn't it funny how hispanics are used as a racial wild card? No kidding--one article I read said the shooter of the "unarmed black teenager" was a "white hispanic". Another reference used the words, "light-skinned". When it benefits the race-baiters, hispanics are "people of color" or "minorities", but when it benefits them more for them to be "white", the hispanics whiten up all of a sudden.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/27/2012 08:19:14 AM |
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hhi angler
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 10:25:10 AM
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| Bama you are spot on, this is his second year in the House. Wrong cause at the wrong time he completely missed the boat. |
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saltydog235
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 10:48:08 AM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
There have been lots of postive stories like that one involving CWP's, along with lots of stories about black criminals killing unarmed "whites" with illegal guns, but the one story that gets the most press is the one where a "white" (actually hispanic) with a CWP shot an "unarmed teenager" (actually a suspended tresspasser who broke the hispanic's nose and beat him on the ground until the hispanic fired the shot, after first calling for help to a nearby witness to no avail). Make the teen a white, and the shooter a black man, the gun illegal, and it would be just another story.
It's obvious that racial groups are using this for race baiting, and Liberals are using this to attack gun rights.
Isn't it funny how hispanics are used as a racial wild card? No kidding--one article I read said the shooter of the "unarmed black teenager" was a "white hispanic". Another reference used the words, "light-skinned". When it benefits the race-baiters, hispanics are "people of color" or "minorities", but when it benefits them more for them to be "white", the hispanics whiten up all of a sudden.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
The issue with that arguement is that Zimmerman pursued Martin after he was expressly told by 911 dispatch that he didn't need to do that. He left his car and willfully pusued the suspect. Different reports are coming out now that somewhat corraberate Zimmerman's story but the stickler is that Zimmerman had no cause to leave his car in pusuit of the kid. Its a tragic story for all involved.
Its despicable that certain people are using this for political gain, 15 minutes of fame, calls for more violence and ramped up racial tensions in the country. Unless cooler heads prevail, this thing could spiral out of control.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 1:28:34 PM
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Originally posted by saltydog235
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
There have been lots of postive stories like that one involving CWP's, along with lots of stories about black criminals killing unarmed "whites" with illegal guns, but the one story that gets the most press is the one where a "white" (actually hispanic) with a CWP shot an "unarmed teenager" (actually a suspended tresspasser who broke the hispanic's nose and beat him on the ground until the hispanic fired the shot, after first calling for help to a nearby witness to no avail). Make the teen a white, and the shooter a black man, the gun illegal, and it would be just another story.
It's obvious that racial groups are using this for race baiting, and Liberals are using this to attack gun rights.
Isn't it funny how hispanics are used as a racial wild card? No kidding--one article I read said the shooter of the "unarmed black teenager" was a "white hispanic". Another reference used the words, "light-skinned". When it benefits the race-baiters, hispanics are "people of color" or "minorities", but when it benefits them more for them to be "white", the hispanics whiten up all of a sudden.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
The issue with that arguement is that Zimmerman pursued Martin after he was expressly told by 911 dispatch that he didn't need to do that. He left his car and willfully pusued the suspect. Different reports are coming out now that somewhat corraberate Zimmerman's story but the stickler is that Zimmerman had no cause to leave his car in pusuit of the kid. Its a tragic story for all involved.
Its despicable that certain people are using this for political gain, 15 minutes of fame, calls for more violence and ramped up racial tensions in the country. Unless cooler heads prevail, this thing could spiral out of control.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
Spot on Salty.
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Bad Habit
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 1:33:58 PM
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if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
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saltydog235
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 1:44:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bad Habit
if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
And NOT A SINGLE ONE of them was right or justifiable in any way.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 2:17:47 PM
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Originally posted by Bad Habit
if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
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a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
Yes, it was. They were charged with lynching.
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a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
No one has been arrested and when an arrest is made it will be for a hate crime the Kansas City police report.
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1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
From what I have read this should be a hate crime as well as he reportedly said racial slurs and used racially suggestive language.
Looks like you're 0-3 there with your assumptions.
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 2:57:57 PM
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"From what I have read this should be a hate crime as well as he reportedly said racial slurs and used racially suggestive language."
1. Show your source for this.
2. So, if a man makes a racial slur while committing a crime, that means it was based on racial hate?
3. Whatever happened to murder just being murder or a crime just being a crime?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 3:21:19 PM
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Originally posted by saltydog235
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
There have been lots of postive stories like that one involving CWP's, along with lots of stories about black criminals killing unarmed "whites" with illegal guns, but the one story that gets the most press is the one where a "white" (actually hispanic) with a CWP shot an "unarmed teenager" (actually a suspended tresspasser who broke the hispanic's nose and beat him on the ground until the hispanic fired the shot, after first calling for help to a nearby witness to no avail). Make the teen a white, and the shooter a black man, the gun illegal, and it would be just another story.
It's obvious that racial groups are using this for race baiting, and Liberals are using this to attack gun rights.
Isn't it funny how hispanics are used as a racial wild card? No kidding--one article I read said the shooter of the "unarmed black teenager" was a "white hispanic". Another reference used the words, "light-skinned". When it benefits the race-baiters, hispanics are "people of color" or "minorities", but when it benefits them more for them to be "white", the hispanics whiten up all of a sudden.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
The issue with that arguement is that Zimmerman pursued Martin after he was expressly told by 911 dispatch that he didn't need to do that. He left his car and willfully pusued the suspect. Different reports are coming out now that somewhat corraberate Zimmerman's story but the stickler is that Zimmerman had no cause to leave his car in pusuit of the kid. Its a tragic story for all involved.
Its despicable that certain people are using this for political gain, 15 minutes of fame, calls for more violence and ramped up racial tensions in the country. Unless cooler heads prevail, this thing could spiral out of control.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
I know about the following and the 9/11 call. I watched it on TV and listened to people jumping to the conclusion that the man tracked down the kid and shot him for hate. I started to feel the anger they were feeling against Zimmerman. He seems to have Barney Pfifed himself into killing some innocent kid. Then, I stopped myself and thought, "Wait. Before making conclusions, wouldn't it be smart to at least hear both sides of the story and look at the evidence?" So, that's what I did. I waited, and sure enough, an eye-witness surfaced, bolstering Zimmerman's story, and the police believed Zimmerman, too. Zimmerman's account is that he followed the guy to a point, but then gave up and started to go back to his car, and the guy attacked him from behind and started pummelling him on the ground. The eye-witness said he saw Martin on top, beating Zimmerman into the dirt, and Zimmerman was yelling for help. The cops said Zimmerman was bashed up and bleeding. All of this supports Zimmerman's story. Added to that is that fact that the kid was trespassing in a gated community that had been recently burlarized multiple times.
Zimmerman obviously brought on the situation by following the guy--or did Martin bring it on by trespassing in the gated neighborhood that had recently been robbed repeatedly? Regardless, if Zimmerman didn't initiate the physical attack, and the other guy did, Zimmerman does have an arguable self-defense claim. Also, while the police told him they didn't need him to follow the guy, well, maybe the residents were a little tired of the police utterly failing to stop the criminals. What would the average Southern man do in a similar situation with his own neighborhood being burglarized frequently? Maybe, since the police apparently weren't doing their jobs effectively, he felt that he at least needed to follow the guy and see what was up. As far as I know, there's no law preventing a man from following a trespasser out of his own gated neighborhood. He had a right to be there, and the kid did not. What if the kid WAS the guy who had been robbing the place? He might be, for all we know.
My sister's friend was kipnapped and murdered by a man when we were kids. A couple of months ago, I had a neighbor's kid run into my house panicking, and tell me that an adult tried to pick him up on the street at night when he was walking home from a friend's house in our gated community (we were on his route home). It happened twice. The first time it happened, we spoke to the police about it--knowing that it would take 20 minutes to get a cruiser out to the place, by which time, the dude would be gone. It happened agains a few days later, so that time, I rode down to where the kid said the guy was. I don't think it's outrageous for me to do that as a concerned man of my neighborhood full of kids. If someone who didn't even belong there had jumped me and started beating me senseless, I don't think I should be imprisoned if I got the jump and shot him to stop the attack? Call me crazy, but if someone tries to harm a kid in my neighborhood, he'll have 250 lbs of country bumpking comin' at him. Now, what if someone had seen that guy who picked up my sister's friend and followed him?
On the flip side, that Martin kid could have been the honest, innocent boy his parents say he was, and he might have been thinking the guy was stalking him and was going to do something, so the kid waited for the opportune time, and he launched a pre-emptive attack. I definitely see the point that Zimmerman's following the kid makes Zimmerman look guilty. It looks like he picked a fight and got it.
The police and the eye-witness go along with Zimmerman, though, and he's not white, so I don't see how they can make the white-man's-world excuse.
So, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that either side is 100% guilty or 100% innocent. All I'm saying is that it's wrong to jump to the conclusion that Zimmerman is guilty and evil the way the nation is doing. It's just wrong. The man was protecting his neighborhood. If Zimmerman were a black man with an illegal gun, and the kid was white, the black leaders would be rallying (if not rioting) right now on the OPPOSITE direction--instead of demanding Zimmerman's arrest, they'd be demanding his release.
I get tired of watching the black leaders rally over racism every time a black man is arrested or shot, even before they know the details. What's even worse is the Liberals trying to use this to attack our gun rights even more.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/27/2012 3:28:12 PM |
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on a fishin mission
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 3:21:54 PM
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http://fcir.org/2012/03/23/on-zimmermans-911-call-what-sounds-like-a-racial-slur/
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So, if a man makes a racial slur while committing a crime, that means it was based on racial hate?
By definition, yes. A racial slur would constitute a racial prejudice
Hate crime; noun; A crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 3:41:18 PM
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Wow, what a dangerous philosophy. Did you notice the words "motivated by" in that definition. You're saying that the utterance of the word "coon" established the man's motivation? Were you there? Just because a man uses racist language in some stressful situation, that doesn't mean that's what motivated him to shoot the guy. Maybe he was slurring the "coons" because he was tired of seeing his neighborhood robbed by black people. Maybe he was walking by a trashcan while he was on the phone, and some raccoons had thrashed it the night before, leaving garbage all over the street. Or, maybe he really is a racist and a bigot, but maybe that still wasn't why he shot the guy. Who knows? Do you completely ignore the fact that Martin was beating him on the ground? What if Martin said, "you f-ing spic" during the fight? Would that make him a hate criminal, too?
Is it possible that people ever just get mad and say things they shouldn't without being hate criminals or racists for life? Is it possible that someone might commit a crime because, oh, I don't know, say, they are a CRIMINAL? Is it possible that someone might, say, rob someone via the motivation of getting their MONEY, without being motivated by race, even if they say, "you f-ing honkey" during the crime?
Nah, that's all impossible, isn't it?
Dude, at least wait until the case is adjudicated before declaring people guilty.
By the way, just to know if we're on the same page on the primary topic (aside from the shooting itself), do you think states or the feds should tighten restrictions on gun laws, CWP laws, or "stand your ground" doctrines?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 03/27/2012 3:58:05 PM |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 4:03:59 PM
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By the way, I just want to reiterate that Zimmerman might end up being the bad guy in this scenario. I'm not saying he won't. I'm just saying that it's wrong to jump to conclusions and holding rallies against the guy without considering adequate evidence. For all we know, the police might establish that Martin was the theif who was robbing the neighborhood (which, in itself, would not justify the shooting, but would definitely color the picture differently). So, let's wait and see.
Regardless of that, my point of this thread is that it's insanity to let the Liberals use this as a knee-jerk excuse to "revisit" CWP gun laws, like they've been discussing in more than one state.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
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saltydog235
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 4:36:35 PM
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Bad Habit
if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
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a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
Yes, it was. They were charged with lynching.
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a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
No one has been arrested and when an arrest is made it will be for a hate crime the Kansas City police report.
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1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
From what I have read this should be a hate crime as well as he reportedly said racial slurs and used racially suggestive language.
Looks like you're 0-3 there with your assumptions.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Last I heard all of them but one had gotten off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, whie the kid they beat will never be normal again. They may have been charged with lynching but they weren't punished accordingly or even at all. All 5 of them would already be taking a dirt nap if that was my kid they nearly killed.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 5:49:41 PM
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Originally posted by saltydog235
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Bad Habit
if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
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a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
Yes, it was. They were charged with lynching.
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a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
No one has been arrested and when an arrest is made it will be for a hate crime the Kansas City police report.
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1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
From what I have read this should be a hate crime as well as he reportedly said racial slurs and used racially suggestive language.
Looks like you're 0-3 there with your assumptions.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Last I heard all of them but one had gotten off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, whie the kid they beat will never be normal again. They may have been charged with lynching but they weren't punished accordingly or even at all. All 5 of them would already be taking a dirt nap if that was my kid they nearly killed.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
Same here. I read where the cops were saying they would NOT call it a hate crime.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
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alabamafan2
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 7:21:19 PM
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I'm not jumping to conclusions on either side of the Trayvon Martin case. Too many conflicting stories out there. Witnesses hear Zimmerman confront Martin over the phone, witnesses see Martin attack Zimmerman as he was walking away.
The only two things I feel confident about right now are that the kid was not the angel they made him out to be and that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and let the police do their job this tragedy would not have occurred. Those facts do not justify the kid being killed nor do they justify criminal charges for Zimmerman. They just are what they are.
And if it turns out Zimmerman was overzealous and deadly force was not justified that still doesn't justify removing that right from the citizenry. Just because one local police department misapplies a self defense law that doesn't mean the law should be repealed.
But for the record, Has something come out that I missed? I thought the kid was walking down the street in a neighborhood where he was staying with his father and step mother. How is that trespassing? |
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alabamafan2
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 7:22:59 PM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
There have been lots of postive stories like that one involving CWP's, along with lots of stories about black criminals killing unarmed "whites" with illegal guns, but the one story that gets the most press is the one where a "white" (actually hispanic) with a CWP shot an "unarmed teenager" (actually a suspended tresspasser who broke the hispanic's nose and beat him on the ground until the hispanic fired the shot, after first calling for help to a nearby witness to no avail). Make the teen a white, and the shooter a black man, the gun illegal, and it would be just another story.
It's obvious that racial groups are using this for race baiting, and Liberals are using this to attack gun rights.
Isn't it funny how hispanics are used as a racial wild card? No kidding--one article I read said the shooter of the "unarmed black teenager" was a "white hispanic". Another reference used the words, "light-skinned". When it benefits the race-baiters, hispanics are "people of color" or "minorities", but when it benefits them more for them to be "white", the hispanics whiten up all of a sudden.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
The interesting part is that Zimmerman is Hispanic like Obama is black. |
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alabamafan2
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 7:26:48 PM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
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Originally posted by saltydog235
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Bad Habit
if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
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a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
Yes, it was. They were charged with lynching.
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a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
No one has been arrested and when an arrest is made it will be for a hate crime the Kansas City police report.
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1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
From what I have read this should be a hate crime as well as he reportedly said racial slurs and used racially suggestive language.
Looks like you're 0-3 there with your assumptions.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Last I heard all of them but one had gotten off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, whie the kid they beat will never be normal again. They may have been charged with lynching but they weren't punished accordingly or even at all. All 5 of them would already be taking a dirt nap if that was my kid they nearly killed.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
Same here. I read where the cops were saying they would NOT call it a hate crime.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
That is correct. City of Columbia PD decided against hate crime prosecution in that case. And rightfully so. While it was a disgusting act there is no evidence it was motivated by race.
And in this case, unless they can prove that Zimmerman was using a racial epithet in his "these _________ always get away" comment on the 911 call, it will be the longest of long shots to get a hate crime prosecution as well.
Dollars to donuts Zimmerman ends up with his life ruined but little to no criminal penalties. Unless some more evidence comes up he has done the right thing. Don't say anything to convict yourself and make sure the other guy can't tell his side of the story. We may never know what actually happened. |
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Big Wes
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 7:47:48 PM
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Folks, this is the section that Bakari Sellers wants to repeal. SC is absolutely a "stand your ground" state.
SECTION 16-11-440. Presumption of reasonable fear of imminent peril when using deadly force against another unlawfully entering residence, occupied vehicle or place of business
(C) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in another place where he has a right to be, including, but not limited to, his place of business, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or another person or to prevent the commission of a violent crime as defined in Section 16-1-60.
I have heard a lot of people say that they were taught and tested for their CWP that SC is a state with a duty to retreat. It is not so. I think that these instructors are teaching this because of perceived liability if someone they certify for the CWP shoots and kills someone. If they teach it in the class, fine...take that test and check it as the correct answer, but know for yourself what the law I have posted for you says.
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on a fishin mission
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 8:27:50 PM
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Originally posted by alabamafan2
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
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Originally posted by saltydog235
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Originally posted by on a fishin mission
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Originally posted by Bad Habit
if it spirals out of control remember- aim small miss small.
a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
keep them loaded.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM.
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a group of blacks almost beat a white teen to death in 5 points- not a hate crime
Yes, it was. They were charged with lynching.
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a group of blacks beat a white man, pour gas on him and set him on fire- not a hate crime
No one has been arrested and when an arrest is made it will be for a hate crime the Kansas City police report.
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1 hispanic neighborhood watch guy gets in an altercation with a black guy and shoots him = hate crime and nationwide race war.
From what I have read this should be a hate crime as well as he reportedly said racial slurs and used racially suggestive language.
Looks like you're 0-3 there with your assumptions.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson
Last I heard all of them but one had gotten off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, whie the kid they beat will never be normal again. They may have been charged with lynching but they weren't punished accordingly or even at all. All 5 of them would already be taking a dirt nap if that was my kid they nearly killed.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
Same here. I read where the cops were saying they would NOT call it a hate crime.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862
That is correct. City of Columbia PD decided against hate crime prosecution in that case. And rightfully so. While it was a disgusting act there is no evidence it was motivated by race.
And in this case, unless they can prove that Zimmerman was using a racial epithet in his "these _________ always get away" comment on the 911 call, it will be the longest of long shots to get a hate crime prosecution as well.
Dollars to donuts Zimmerman ends up with his life ruined but little to no criminal penalties. Unless some more evidence comes up he has done the right thing. Don't say anything to convict yourself and make sure the other guy can't tell his side of the story. We may never know what actually happened.
Actually I was wrong in saying the attack on Cater was a hate crime since SC doesn't have a hate crime law. A bill was introduced in mid 2011 but I am not sure if it passed or not. There was evidence based on racial slurs made towards the other 4 people that they tried to rob but without a law they could not prosecute.
"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson |
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Bad Habit
Senior Member
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Posted - 03/27/2012 : 9:13:38 PM
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as always- it's only racial if it's white against black. just the point i was trying to make.
there are thousands and thousands of cases of black on white crime that were never considered racial or hate crimes- even if the perp said "give me all your money whitey, honkey, cracker" etc.etc.etc.
this case should not be about race at all- it should be about facts and evidence.
if the shooter was on edge due to racial profiling and previous criminals wearing hoodies- it's understandable and correct. just like it's understandable and correct for americans to be suspicious of dark skinned people wearing turbans and shouting allah akabar as they board an airplane.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM. |
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