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No skinne. i can't say that he would have acted differently if martin were white. but that still doesnt change the fact that he was profuled based on appearance. again, if there were a description of a suspect that matched martin then fine. stop and ask a few questions. but there wasnt a description. he saw someone who looked suspicious. that is profiling.

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First of all, you said: "He stopped him because he felt a black kid in a hoodie was suspicious". Fine, I will strike out the word black and leave you with "He stopped him because he felt a black kid in a hoodie was suspicious".

Secondly, that leaves you with "kid" and "hoodie". Now, are you saying without a shadow of a doubt that GZ KNEW that TM was a "kid"? I mean come on, the "kid" is 6'3" and it was dark. I don't remember where the story suggested that TM swiped his ID before walking through the neighborhood... He had no idea how old TM was. That's a fact that people are overlooking.

Let's face it, "profiling" is a stupid word that, as someone suggested earlier, tends to be used to portray racism.

Next, you say that "again, if there were a description of a suspect that matched martin then fine"... Well that would be fine and dandy if you HAD this information. What if there was a rash of break-ins in your neighborhood and there WAS NO DESCRIPTION as this is usually the case?

The only thing that I need to know is that it's someone who doesn't live in the neighborhood walking around at night by himself. That might look suspicious to me. You would probably find it suspicious too...

So, anyway, before you guys jump on the "profiling" media bandwagon, you should ask yourself why you are using the word "profiling" and what would cause you to draw suspicion as well. His race has nothing to do with it. Hoodie? Maybe. So, people probably shouldn't walk through neighborhoods with their hoodies pulled up. You probably wouldn't think it's a good idea to wear a ski-mask into a bank even on a cold winter day.... Unfortunately, kids wear hoodies and saggy pants to look more like a "thug" and that is exactly what draws suspicion. Don't want to be "profiled" as a "thug", then don't dress like a "thug"... Period.

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Bama, I thought (this could have been BS, so I am not sure) that we had not heard the whole tape from the 911 call and that there were reports of the person asking for his location so that the police would be able to locate the suspect. I also found it crazy that Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in the past, and that he started the neighborhood watch. That tells me that he really only wanted one thing, to keep his home and his neighbors safe. Again, that doesn't mean that he couldn't do anything wrong, but I think that it will be hard to show that he was out there looking for a fight.

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sweetpea, I will tell you what the problem is... The problem is how much influence the media has over people who aren't willing to look at the facts objectively. The only reason that alabamafan and "onafishin mission" even used the word "profiling" is because they heard it on the news. What makes it worse is that the media intentionally used it in a negative connotation to portray that GZ was "guilty" or "wrong" to "profile" another person. The media KNOWS that subconsiously people associate "profiling" with racism. It's a subtle type of brainwashing that neither OFM or Bama even picked up on. The media has essentially made up their mind for them... The media has put a LOT of focus on TM's age (which was not known by GZ at the time), and the fact that he only was out buying "skittles and tea", shown his airbrushed baby pictures, etc. They only want you to hear one side of the story so that they can excite the mob. It's pretty obvious that the media does not want you to look at this objectively.

The problem is the millions of people like Bama and OFM who are actually succeptible to the media brainwashing and don't even realize that they are being controlled like puppets on a short string.

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I'm also curious OFM and Bama... If GZ would have been an neighborhood security guard instead of the head of the neighborhood watch, would you feel any differently?

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You're still avoiding my questions OFM, or maybe you've hit the ignore button on me? I think that I've come to an interesting conclusion here though. It appears to me that after a PM you sent me a few weeks back touting your accomplishments as a disciple in the training of several Martial Art's Techniques, that only you want to be the one to administer the "ass kicking", and don't want to have to worry about "lead poisoning" during the process??
Does that sound about right??
After all, you were the one who suggested taking an "ass kicking" was all that should have happened. Right?
I've taken my share, and have administered many more, but you see, I'm getting old and tired! And I will not have my life, nor that of my family be threatened by you, or any other self proclaimed Bully or Thug for that matter!!
Please don't take my post as a threat my friend, but merely a suggestion that an "ass kicking" is in the eye's of the beholder, and one never knows what's in store when they open up that can do they??

...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!

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Mn, arrest affidavit are always based on speculation, it is up to the prosecution to prove those speculation as facts in a court of law. I think the arrest affidavit does have holes in it but to be honest, that is the 3rd or 4th one I've ever read, so I can't really say. The problem I have is this that the only one that was standing his ground ended up dead. Zimmerman was not standing his ground, he went on the offensive. Trayvon, even if he attacked first, was standing his ground under the law, whcih states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat. Zimmerman posed a threat to Trayvon. Zimmerman, not listening to the police dispatcher, stalked a guy, cornered and contronted him. I think Bama is right, from that point things got out of hand and he shot the guy. Unlike Bama though, I think he is criminally liable for that, just maybe not for a murder charge. He chose to disregard the police dispatcher and the police officers that came to the neighborhood watch meeting in Sept.2011 and I think he is liable. His decided to disregard what the police told him and a young man ended up dead.

Now back to the ass kicking. If you willfully stalk a person at night, corner and confront them, you are posing a threat to that person and should be willing to take an ass cutting for doing so. You know how you avoid this? DON'T FOLLOW PEOPLE WITH A GUN, call the police and let them do their job. If you do follow someone with a gun and things get out of hand, be ready to take an ass cutting or spend a long time in jail, it's that simple. Had Zimmerman listened to the dispatcher, Trayvon would be alive, period. Had Zimmerman listened to the police in Sept, Trayvon would be alive, period. He didn't though, was negligent and a young kid died as a result of his actions.

"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson

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Originally posted by gotchacovered

There's nothing wrong with profiling. It's called common sense. It's even politically correct when you do it to a white, male Christian. It only becomes wrong when the person is (A) a media-protected minority, (B) a criminal caught in the act, or (C) an enemy of the United States--usually all three.

If you were a convenience-store operator, and a man rushed into your establishment with a cap, dark sunglasses, and a handkerchief over his face, and his hand in his jacket pocket, every single one of us would be "profiling" him. Why? Because he would be displaying signals that robbers display. Black teens don't just wear hoodies, "bust a sag", get "gold grills", and tat up because "it was raining". They get that from the "gangsta" cultural phenomenon that they LOVE to immitate. They are TRYING to LOOK LIKE THUGS. Surf Youtube, and you'll find them admitting it freely by the droves. Well, when you go around immitating GANGTAS and TRYING to look like them, then don't be surprised when you are mistaken for a GANGSTA!

If you have a problem with this, then shave your head, don a white hood, put a swasticka tat on your bare shoulder, and go to a New Black Panther gathering. See if you get profiled. If you do, then it's your OWN FAULT.

TRUTH!








Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862

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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz

You're still avoiding my questions OFM, or maybe you've hit the ignore button on me? I think that I've come to an interesting conclusion here though. It appears to me that after a PM you sent me a few weeks back touting your accomplishments as a disciple in the training of several Martial Art's Techniques, that only you want to be the one to administer the "ass kicking", and don't want to have to worry about "lead poisoning" during the process??
Does that sound about right??
After all, you were the one who suggested taking an "ass kicking" was all that should have happened. Right?
I've taken my share, and have administered many more, but you see, I'm getting old and tired! And I will not have my life, nor that of my family be threatened by you, or any other self proclaimed Bully or Thug for that matter!!
Please don't take my post as a threat my friend, but merely a suggestion that an "ass kicking" is in the eye's of the beholder, and one never knows what's in store when they open up that can do they??

...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!

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Mn, arrest affidavit are always based on speculation, it is up to the prosecution to prove those speculation as facts in a court of law. I think the arrest affidavit does have holes in it but to be honest, that is the 3rd or 4th one I've ever read, so I can't really say. The problem I have is this that the only one that was standing his ground ended up dead. Zimmerman was not standing his ground, he went on the offensive. Trayvon, even if he attacked first, was standing his ground under the law, whcih states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat. Zimmerman posed a threat to Trayvon. Zimmerman, not listening to the police dispatcher, stalked a guy, cornered and contronted him. I think Bama is right, from that point things got out of hand and he shot the guy. Unlike Bama though, I think he is criminally liable for that, just maybe not for a murder charge. He chose to disregard the police dispatcher and the police officers that came to the neighborhood watch meeting in Sept.2011 and I think he is liable. His decided to disregard what the police told him and a young man ended up dead.

Now back to the ass kicking. If you willfully stalk a person at night, corner and confront them, you are posing a threat to that person and should be willing to take an ass cutting for doing so. You know how you avoid this? DON'T FOLLOW PEOPLE WITH A GUN, call the police and let them do their job. If you do follow someone with a gun and things get out of hand, be ready to take an ass cutting or spend a long time in jail, it's that simple. Had Zimmerman listened to the dispatcher, Trayvon would be alive, period. Had Zimmerman listened to the police in Sept, Trayvon would be alive, period. He didn't though, was negligent and a young kid died as a result of his actions.

"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson

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Originally posted by Mixed Nutz

You're still avoiding my questions OFM, or maybe you've hit the ignore button on me? I think that I've come to an interesting conclusion here though. It appears to me that after a PM you sent me a few weeks back touting your accomplishments as a disciple in the training of several Martial Art's Techniques, that only you want to be the one to administer the "ass kicking", and don't want to have to worry about "lead poisoning" during the process??
Does that sound about right??
After all, you were the one who suggested taking an "ass kicking" was all that should have happened. Right?
I've taken my share, and have administered many more, but you see, I'm getting old and tired! And I will not have my life, nor that of my family be threatened by you, or any other self proclaimed Bully or Thug for that matter!!
Please don't take my post as a threat my friend, but merely a suggestion that an "ass kicking" is in the eye's of the beholder, and one never knows what's in store when they open up that can do they??

...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!

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Mn, arrest affidavit are always based on speculation, it is up to the prosecution to prove those speculation as facts in a court of law. I think the arrest affidavit does have holes in it but to be honest, that is the 3rd or 4th one I've ever read, so I can't really say. The problem I have is this that the only one that was standing his ground ended up dead. Zimmerman was not standing his ground, he went on the offensive. Trayvon, even if he attacked first, was standing his ground under the law, whcih states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat. Zimmerman posed a threat to Trayvon. Zimmerman, not listening to the police dispatcher, stalked a guy, cornered and contronted him. I think Bama is right, from that point things got out of hand and he shot the guy. Unlike Bama though, I think he is criminally liable for that, just maybe not for a murder charge. He chose to disregard the police dispatcher and the police officers that came to the neighborhood watch meeting in Sept.2011 and I think he is liable. His decided to disregard what the police told him and a young man ended up dead.

Now back to the ass kicking. If you willfully stalk a person at night, corner and confront them, you are posing a threat to that person and should be willing to take an ass cutting for doing so. You know how you avoid this? DON'T FOLLOW PEOPLE WITH A GUN, call the police and let them do their job. If you do follow someone with a gun and things get out of hand, be ready to take an ass cutting or spend a long time in jail, it's that simple. Had Zimmerman listened to the dispatcher, Trayvon would be alive, period. Had Zimmerman listened to the police in Sept, Trayvon would be alive, period. He didn't though, was negligent and a young kid died as a result of his actions.

"Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so." Thomas Jefferson

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Nice Try!! But still skirting my questions I see? There must be at a very least, two of you answering (or Ignoring) them!!

...Politicians aren't the "Oldest Profession", but the results are still the same!!!

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You can complain about the word "profiling" all you want but that is just semantics.

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You can complain about the word "profiling" all you want but that is just semantics.

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I'm not really "complaining" about the word profiling WRT your post per-se. I'm pointing out that you and OFM are only using "profiling" in your premise because you were spoon fed your position from the mainstream media and that word was a left over remnant that made it into your argument during the brainwashing. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have used it at all...

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I love the elitist attitude in this post skinnee.

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What really cracks me up is that you couldn't be farther from the truth.

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I have actually had the correct version of your argument several times in the last few weeks. Profiling is not unique to race and I have never claimed it was. You can be profiled for many things. I have tattoos. People are profiled for that. People with piercings are profiled. People who wear suits to work (myself included) are profiled. Again, it's just a word. If you don't like it, use a synonym.

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Not that big of a deal until someone like yourself tries to turn it into an argument of political correctness, which it is not.

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And for the record, political correctness is just an overblown version of what most of us Southern Boys grew up knowing as manners.

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You can complain about the word "profiling" all you want but that is just semantics.

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I'm not really "complaining" about the word profiling WRT your post per-se. I'm pointing out that you and OFM are only using "profiling" in your premise because you were spoon fed your position from the mainstream media and that word was a left over remnant that made it into your argument during the brainwashing. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have used it at all...

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And that is an incredible assumption on your part. An incorrect one at that. If I am so brainwashed by the media why am I not decrying Zimmerman as racist? Why am I not painting him as a bloodthirsty lunatic just running around playing cops and robbers?

You are looking for a point that isn't there skinnee. At least not within my argument. I won't speak for OFM because I have no idea what he knows or believes about the practice of profiling.

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Zimmerman definitely profiled Martin. He stopped him because he felt a black kid in a hoodie was suspicious. Unless you can show me where a police report or witness statement prior to the shooting says that the break ins in the neighborhood were committed by someone matching that description then that is profiling.

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Originally posted by gotchacovered

There's nothing wrong with profiling. It's called common sense. It's even politically correct when you do it to a white, male Christian. It only becomes wrong when the person is (A) a media-protected minority, (B) a criminal caught in the act, or (C) an enemy of the United States--usually all three.

If you were a convenience-store operator, and a man rushed into your establishment with a cap, dark sunglasses, and a handkerchief over his face, and his hand in his jacket pocket, every single one of us would be "profiling" him. Why? Because he would be displaying signals that robbers display. Black teens don't just wear hoodies, "bust a sag", get "gold grills", and tat up because "it was raining". They get that from the "gangsta" cultural phenomenon that they LOVE to immitate. They are TRYING to LOOK LIKE THUGS. Surf Youtube, and you'll find them admitting it freely by the droves. Well, when you go around immitating GANGTAS and TRYING to look like them, then don't be surprised when you are mistaken for a GANGSTA!

If you have a problem with this, then shave your head, don a white hood, put a swasticka tat on your bare shoulder, and go to a New Black Panther gathering. See if you get profiled. If you do, then it's your OWN FAULT.

TRUTH!








Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862

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For the record, I have tattoos, wear hoodies on occasion, often wear saggy worn out blue jeans that I fish in, work on my car in, and generally loaf around in. Sometimes my underwear shows. I don't have a gold grill but I guess nobody is perfect right?

All that said, I agree with you and talk to kids about it frequently. Bottom line is there are different sets of rules for different segments of our society. Forget fair. That's just life. I liked the story I saw in the news up here recently about the black mother explaining to her kids exactly what your point was. As a young black male you have to understand that you are judged differently and make decisions about your life accordingly. Doesn't matter if it's fair or not. That's just life. We'd all be lying if we said we didn't think about these things from time to time. If I adopted a young black male I would be much more vigilant about his appearance because I know he is more likely to be judged more harshly for those sorts of apparel decisions than I am.

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I love the elitist attitude in this post skinnee.

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What really cracks me up is that you couldn't be farther from the truth.

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Sure, if you say so...

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I have actually had the correct version of your argument several times in the last few weeks. Profiling is not unique to race and I have never claimed it was. You can be profiled for many things. I have tattoos. People are profiled for that. People with piercings are profiled. People who wear suits to work (myself included) are profiled. Again, it's just a word. If you don't like it, use a synonym.

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I don't think you understood my argument. "Profiling" tends to have a negative connotation. Being "suspicious" tends to have a non-negative, or even maybe a positive connotation. Despite what the words mean, the media used "profiling" intentionally to paint GZ in a bad light. It's a way to stir the pot. Most of us do not use the word "profiling" when discussing crime, but both you and OFM used it because you recently heard it on TV. Thus, the media has influenced your train of thought.

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Not that big of a deal until someone like yourself tries to turn it into an argument of political correctness, which it is not.

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It has everything to do with "political correctness".

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And for the record, political correctness is just an overblown version of what most of us Southern Boys grew up knowing as manners.

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Using the salad fork for your salad, keeping your elbows off the table, and not wearing a hat inside are examples of "manners" (which I don't necessarily subscribe to, but instead I try to put more independent thought into it and just "Treat others how I would like to be treated"). I view "political correctness" in a much different light. Being "PC" is a very American thing which typically involves using non-descript language or actions in order to "not offend" people... I don't really see them as equals at all...

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You can complain about the word "profiling" all you want but that is just semantics.

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I'm not really "complaining" about the word profiling WRT your post per-se. I'm pointing out that you and OFM are only using "profiling" in your premise because you were spoon fed your position from the mainstream media and that word was a left over remnant that made it into your argument during the brainwashing. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have used it at all...

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And that is an incredible assumption on your part. An incorrect one at that. If I am so brainwashed by the media why am I not decrying Zimmerman as racist? Why am I not painting him as a bloodthirsty lunatic just running around playing cops and robbers?

You are looking for a point that isn't there skinnee. At least not within my argument. I won't speak for OFM because I have no idea what he knows or believes about the practice of profiling.

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Zimmerman definitely profiled Martin. He stopped him because he felt a black kid in a hoodie was suspicious. Unless you can show me where a police report or witness statement prior to the shooting says that the break ins in the neighborhood were committed by someone matching that description then that is profiling.

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There's nothing wrong with profiling. It's called common sense. It's even politically correct when you do it to a white, male Christian. It only becomes wrong when the person is (A) a media-protected minority, (B) a criminal caught in the act, or (C) an enemy of the United States--usually all three.

If you were a convenience-store operator, and a man rushed into your establishment with a cap, dark sunglasses, and a handkerchief over his face, and his hand in his jacket pocket, every single one of us would be "profiling" him. Why? Because he would be displaying signals that robbers display. Black teens don't just wear hoodies, "bust a sag", get "gold grills", and tat up because "it was raining". They get that from the "gangsta" cultural phenomenon that they LOVE to immitate. They are TRYING to LOOK LIKE THUGS. Surf Youtube, and you'll find them admitting it freely by the droves. Well, when you go around immitating GANGTAS and TRYING to look like them, then don't be surprised when you are mistaken for a GANGSTA!

If you have a problem with this, then shave your head, don a white hood, put a swasticka tat on your bare shoulder, and go to a New Black Panther gathering. See if you get profiled. If you do, then it's your OWN FAULT.

TRUTH!








Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862

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For the record, I have tattoos, wear hoodies on occasion, often wear saggy worn out blue jeans that I fish in, work on my car in, and generally loaf around in. Sometimes my underwear shows. I don't have a gold grill but I guess nobody is perfect right?

All that said, I agree with you and talk to kids about it frequently. Bottom line is there are different sets of rules for different segments of our society. Forget fair. That's just life. I liked the story I saw in the news up here recently about the black mother explaining to her kids exactly what your point was. As a young black male you have to understand that you are judged differently and make decisions about your life accordingly. Doesn't matter if it's fair or not. That's just life. We'd all be lying if we said we didn't think about these things from time to time. If I adopted a young black male I would be much more vigilant about his appearance because I know he is more likely to be judged more harshly for those sorts of apparel decisions than I am.

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"For the record, I have tattoos, wear hoodies on occasion, often wear saggy worn out blue jeans that I fish in, work on my car in, and generally loaf around in. Sometimes my underwear shows. I don't have a gold grill but I guess nobody is perfect right?"

I appreciate your partial agreement, Jeremy, but I don't understand why you're also partly pretending like you don't know what I'm talking about and talking about blacks being "judged more harshly". That suggests partial disagreement. The hoodies, tats, sag busting, and gold grills are a gangsta-culture thang for the black youth of this country. That's why they are judged differently than you. Do you also make gang signs, walk with a gangsta swagga, and say, "Yo, yo, yo, homie" while you play gangsta rap? If someone DID "profile" you because of that garb, it would be perfectly reasonable, but the reason you are not judged the same as a black kid in the same garb is not because of black kids being "judged more harshly" just because they are black. It's because they RESEMBLE gangstas, and that's INTENTIONAL on THEIR part. They dress that way to IMMITATE gangstas. They ADMIRE the arrogant pride of the gangsta culture and are obsessed with looking the part. So, it's no surprise when people think they may just BE gangstas.

Often times, though, when you walk up and talk to one, he's gentle and nice. I talked to a gangsta look-alike just the other day ago. He had a 4-inch gold medallion aroung his neck. I walked up and started talking to him. He was very respectful and friendly. If someone looking like him walked up behind me at night, though, I would be on high alert. You probably would, too.

Of course, this does not apply to ALL black youths, but we all know that the gangsta culture and its fashions are a very popular phenomenon among the black youth of this generation.

Oh, and please don't try to pretend that you bust a sag with your hoodie on like the boys in the hood. That's bunk. Having saggy drawers is not the same. It's obvious when a kid is doing it on purpose. Have you ever thought about where the "bust a sag" stuff originated? When you're arrested, the cops take away your belt. To turn that into a fashion is to glorify the cutlure of rebellion against legal authority.

Also, I feel exactly the same about WHITE kids doing the same thing. In fact, it disgusts me MORE, and I believe that they, too, would be "profiled" if they were running down the wrong street at the wrong time. Not to mention, who in the world wants to hire someone dressed like a total loser? Thankfully, there's no "dress discrimination" law--YET.

As for fair, it IS fair--100% fair. If you dress like a thug or a bum, then people think you're a thug. Don't blame it on THEM.

You know this is true, and that's exactly why you wear a SUIT to work instead of your HOODIE. It's also why I wore a dress shirt and tie to work every day when I was a network engineer and a CEO for a DOD security contracting firm, meeting with Navy captains and CEO's on Capitol Hill in DC. Now, I work around fishermen, and I can relax a bit, but I still at least wear some decent shorts and a decent shirt and try to keep my pants up. If I had PURPOSEFULLY worn my pants around my knees, exposed my undies, walked and talked like a gangsta, and kept my hoodie over my head all the time, it would have been on ME if Navy captains didn't trust my company to secure their bases.

I'll tell you what's not FAIR. It's not fair to purposefully dress like a would-be thug in a gangsta-rap video, and then expect strangers on the street at night to treat you like you're a choir boy. That's just unreasonable.

If we're going to blame anyone other than the kids themselves and the gangsta culture they seem to worship, then let's blame their FATHERS and MOTHERS for letting them go around acting and dressing like gang members. They ASK for trouble. I mean, think about it. If you let your daughter dress like a hooker, and someone thinks she's slutty, who's fault is that?

So, to make a long story short, if you don't want people to think you're a thug, then don't go around looking like one.




Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862

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By the way, I went around with a missing front tooth and an eye patch for a while (no kidding--had to for medical reasons). People treated me differently. They also treated me differently (better) when I weighed 170 lbs versus when I've weighed 250. It also seems to help when I cut my hair and groom my scraggy beard, versus having a wild bush on top and in the front. The last I checked, I've been a white dude at all times, so I can't blame the profiling on being black. Nope, it must have been the fact that looked like a fat hippie pirate.






Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862

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Originally posted by alabamafan2


You just destroyed your own point. The only thing I said that had a thing to do with race is that Zimmerman thought a black kid in a hoodie was suspicious. That doesn't make him a racist. But the fact that you would automatically assume it does shows that you are the one who has been programmed to perceive a racist connotation when you hear the word "profiling".

Thanks skinnee. I couldn't have made my point any better than you just did.

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Originally posted by skinneej

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Originally posted by alabamafan2


You just destroyed your own point. The only thing I said that had a thing to do with race is that Zimmerman thought a black kid in a hoodie was suspicious. That doesn't make him a racist. But the fact that you would automatically assume it does shows that you are the one who has been programmed to perceive a racist connotation when you hear the word "profiling".

Thanks skinnee. I couldn't have made my point any better than you just did.

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Bama, please tell me where I said that GZ was a racist. I will say this one more time... You used the word "profiling" in your "own" argument, because you heard it on TV. Profiling typically has a negative connotation with it and that is why the news used it (to paint GZ in a bad light). The news manipulated your train of thought...

Now, how you got me accusing anyone of being a racist out of that is beyond me...

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Originally posted by alabamafan2


I didn't say you were a racist skinnee. I said that you assumed I was accusing Zimmerman of racism by stating that he profiled Martin. I never said any such thing. Therefore my contention is that you are a victim of the very thing you accused me of. You believe that to profile is a racist act. I do not.

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Originally posted by alabamafan2


P.S. did you miss the part where I told you I have not watched a single television news report on this case?

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I didn't say you were a racist skinnee. I said that you assumed I was accusing Zimmerman of racism by stating that he profiled Martin. I never said any such thing. Therefore my contention is that you are a victim of the very thing you accused me of. You believe that to profile is a racist act. I do not.

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I would also like you to quote where I said that profiling is a racist act... The closest thing to that that I ever said was that it was often linked to racism and thus gives it a bad connotation subconsciouly to people. This is why the news used the word.... Once again... To paint GZ in a bad light...

I don't see how you don't understand what I am saying here... Again, the news could have used the word "suspicious", but that would not follow their intent of making GZ look like the bad guy. That is why they chose the word "Profile". It's because "profile" is a bad word to a lot of people...

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