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skinneej
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TyOneOn
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 Posted - 04/12/2012 : 01:37:01 AM
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Originally posted by skinneej
...which means that we have Rodney King all over again...
Does this site have a "Bilge" forum? |
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 07:14:26 AM
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SCARCHER220
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 08:41:00 AM
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I don't see how they will make 2nd degree murder stick.....
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PeaPod
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 09:30:41 AM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Not sure what your comment means...
me neither. maybe tyone will elaborate. |
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saltydog235
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 09:33:39 AM
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Originally posted by skinneej
No way that a jury will convict Zimmerman, which means that we have Rodney King all over again... You can count on riots in the major cities with the attention that this case has had. Oh well, need to go order some bullets and make sure we have a week's supply of food until the national guard can come in and settle things down again.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/11/11144255-george-zimmerman-in-custody-will-plead-not-guilty-to-second-degree-murder-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite
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Fred67
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 10:42:22 AM
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I've been watching Doomsday Preppers on NGC. I'm good to go!
By the way, Rodney King should have been shot instead of beaten and tazzed so many times. There comes a point when a criminal should just give up, if not I feel lethal force is justified as long as we have no collateral damage. Wonder how much money Rodney cost us tax payers? |
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:18:51 PM
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| I should have been more clear. I'm really talking about the riots that broke out the minute that the King trial reached the verdict, not so much the act of beating him in the first place. Do you remember what LA looked like after the verdict was delivered? |
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:21:05 PM
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| I mean people were up in arms just because Zimmerman had not been arrested. Now that he is arrested, they are celebrating. Imagine what is going to happen when the jury acquits him based on the lack of proof for 2nd degree murder. It's going to cause a massive outrage. There will be millions of people tuned in when they announce the verdict and the second they acquit him, there will be pandemonium. |
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Wolakrab
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:51:31 PM
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He should have been arrested, IMO...but not charged with 2nd degree murder-voluntary manslaughter at most. He won't be convicted of the current charge...heck, even Trayvon's mom thinks it was an accident.
Send lawyers, guns, and ammo...
"Never argue with an idiot....he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
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Hurricane701
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 1:39:54 PM
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Guess they better hope they have underlying charges, or he will walk
Bragging may not bring happiness,
but no man having caught a large fish,
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 1:40:27 PM
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Why should he have been arrested? I think that the only reason that this case is national news is because the kid was only 17. If he had been 27, we probably wouldn't have heard of it.
Also before anyone suggest that he was told not to follow Trayvon, I don't know about that. I heard the audio on the news. It went something like this:
911-O: Are you following him now?
Z: Yes
911-O: Okay, we don't need you to do that
Z: Okay
That doesn't exactly constitute a command to NOT do something... If you bring a bottle of wine to someone's house for dinner and they say, "Oh man, we didn't need you to do that", that doesn't mean that you weren't allowed to do it.
On top of that, even so, I don't know that there is even any evidence to suggest that he WAS following him AFTER this message. He originally denied it, so how are they going to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
But I guess that we will find out what the court of law says...
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skinneej
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Fred67
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 2:34:56 PM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Why should he have been arrested? I think that the only reason that this case is national news is because the kid was only 17. If he had been 27, we probably wouldn't have heard of it.
Also before anyone suggest that he was told not to follow Trayvon, I don't know about that. I heard the audio on the news. It went something like this:
911-O: Are you following him now?
Z: Yes
911-O: Okay, we don't need you to do that
Z: Okay
That doesn't exactly constitute a command to NOT do something... If you bring a bottle of wine to someone's house for dinner and they say, "Oh man, we didn't need you to do that", that doesn't mean that you weren't allowed to do it.
On top of that, even so, I don't know that there is even any evidence to suggest that he WAS following him AFTER this message. He originally denied it, so how are they going to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
But I guess that we will find out what the court of law says...
That's kind of like "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."
Time will tell. What kind of Wine? 
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Area 51
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 2:40:39 PM
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Thanks for the heads up..
My 12 ga. "Alley Sweeper" just went to DEFCON 1. |
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Too Busy
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DFreedom
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 3:15:49 PM
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| You nailed it there Tommy. One of her handlers (Sharpton or Jackson) told her she needed to clear up what she said so people would not misconstrue what she said as sympathy for Zimmerman. |
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skinneej
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 3:36:00 PM
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You nailed it there Tommy. One of her handlers (Sharpton or Jackson) told her she needed to clear up what she said so people would not misconstrue what she said as sympathy for Zimmerman.
EXACTLY... |
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 3:37:03 PM
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What kind of Wine?
That depends on what color your dress is. You definitely don't want to be sipping on the red if your dress is white... |
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Blue_Runner
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 3:51:37 PM
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The case has all the elements of a perfect storm, with the exception that GZ is not caucasion. It has been exacerbated by the media mostly because of speculation due to withheld details which was necessary to properly investigate what happend. Human nature to "fill in the blanks" and speculate on what happened and what should happen. It is happening right here in this thread. The only fact to take away from it at this point is we don't know everything the prosecutor knows. Since we don't, then how can we say this should not be 2nd degree murder?
So, now I will speculate
Based on what I have read and heard about the events leading up to the shooting, it would seem GZ should not have been charged at all. It does not appear GZ chased the kid down, but rather the kid came back to confront GZ, words exchanged, GZ gets popped in the booger barn, thrown to the ground and attacked. It could've been that the teen was the one afraid for his life leading him to use whatever force is necessary to protect himself, essentially standing HIS ground. If that were the case I don't believe GZ would have a self-defense argument. I think the eye witness statements are being largely withheld from the public. Simply put they know more than they are telling us.
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Too Busy
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 3:52:01 PM
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I'm not even sure that she misunderstood herself. I watched that portion of the clip several times. Watch her body language. She seems like a Mom that has suffered through a tragic accident.
Forget the criminal charges and go for a wrongful death civil judgement.
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shevlin
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 4:02:13 PM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Why should he have been arrested?
From what I understand there was no evidence that he was being attacked and even acted in self defense.
"I'd hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."
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Blue_Runner
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 4:10:21 PM
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I think it is safe to say any time a person gets in a fight both people fear serious injury or possibly even death.
What if both parties are equally to blame in the events leading up to a confrontation and both parties are fearing for their life or threat of serious injury? Are they both allowed to try to kill each other with whatever force they have available?
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Phin
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skinneej
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 4:37:41 PM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Why should he have been arrested?
From what I understand there was no evidence that he was being attacked and even acted in self defense.
"I'd hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."
Hunter S. Thompson
Point #1: Supposedly, it's "innocent until provent guilty". That is, it would be the burden of the prosecutor to prove this, not GZ's burden to prove (although it would help)
Point #2: There were at least 2 eyewitnesses that called the cops that said that 2 men fitting their description were fighting in the grass and one man was on top of the other and there was screaming. WHen GZ was arrested, he had a contusion on his head and grass on his back. |
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Are you guys ready for the riots?
