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dream on
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 Posted - 05/08/2012 : 12:24:21 PM
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Just wondering how many of you think that Romney can beat Obama?
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God."
Benjamin Franklin
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soup
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 1:52:18 PM
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squalus
Senior Member
613 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2012 : 2:07:42 PM
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| Which Romney? |
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saltydog235
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 2:14:28 PM
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Yes. Stick to the message on the economy and Illblameya's failures and don't let them sidetrack or drag it down into the morass they'll try to pull it into to keep it off the issues. If the SC strikes down the Illdecideyourcare Act, the current squatter is done.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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soup
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 3:02:59 PM
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"Illdecideyourcare Act"
2700 pages
2500 references to the Secretary of HHS
700 times when he/she "shall" do something
>200 times when he/she "may" take at their sole discretion some form of regulatory activity
139 times when he/she "determines"
If it survives, starting in 2014 one person under the authority of the President will decide the health care for 310 million Americans.
The punishment for passing this abomination should be something more than electoral loss. |
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 3:10:15 PM
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Soup, that thing is probably the tip of the iceberg in deceptions and crimes against the American people that may come to light. Once ousted he nor his minions will ever have to answer for it either, that's the real shame.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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soup
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 3:14:23 PM
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Does anyone realize that by passing Illdecideyourcare Act and Dodd-Frank Bill, installing henchmen in EPA, Interior, Energy, Labor, Bambi can run the country if reelected regardless of who runs Congress?
The people have sat back and watched the government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" become a Presidential dicatorship. |
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alabamafan2
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 7:04:24 PM
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| Right now I would say Obama wins by at least 9% of the popular vote. Not quite Reagan Mondale blowout but a little worse than the Clinton Dole blowout. |
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Apickett
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 7:26:51 PM
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| Hard to believe after all of the lies, people will vote for him again. Not saying anything about party affiliation because I believe most will tell you whatever they need to in the interest of getting re-elected. I just believe when the person is proven to lie it is time to go and that goes for all of them. It is truly ashame what our political system has become. I am afraid that if people are as apathetic as they have been in the past we will have another 4 years of Obama. I think Hope and Change should be our voting slogan. We hope they are honest and do a good job and if not we make the Change with our vote. |
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Tarpoon
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 11:08:47 PM
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"because I believe most will tell you whatever they need to in the interest of getting re-elected."
Demand Honesty to the vison level.
Elect Purge Repeat Party- Teaparty
He's toast along with a whole buch more politicians and control freaks like him.
Go here for a dose of optimism
The tide has turned. The permanent toggle swith is toggled.
www.freedomworks.com
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Reelly Old
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 11:41:09 PM
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Bambi can run the country if reelected regardless of who runs Congress?
Only if Congress appropriates the money. The Almighty Dollar trumps insanity if employed properly ... 
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skinneej
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 12:11:52 AM
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| Obama beats Romney hands down... People want free stuff. |
Edited by - skinneej on 05/09/2012 12:12:07 AM |
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soup
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 06:49:19 AM
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| Thomas Jefferson "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." |
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gotchacovered
Prolific Poster
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 07:15:39 AM
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A lot of people seem to value free STUFF more than freeDOM.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
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gotchacovered
Prolific Poster
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 07:17:04 AM
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I still think the popular vote is probably going to be fairly close, judging from the polls, that is. Romney might just pull it off. It's possible, but it won't be easy. He'll need evey vote he can scrape together. If you want to get the current President and his insane policy out of the White House, and keep things like Constitutional gun rights, you'd better not sit this one out, even if Romney isn't your ideal candidate.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/09/2012 07:18:29 AM |
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sshaarda
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 08:29:35 AM
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Popular vote doesn't win elections; electoral college votes do.
It will come down to 4 or 5 states. PENN, Va, FL, OH, WISC and maybe throw in MO and MI.
republicans need to remember the Senate and HOR. Don't forget that the Presidency is only 1 branch.
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu
Ecclesiastes 10:2
GW 205
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DFreedom
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 08:46:18 AM
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I believe that Romney can win but right now, I don't believe he will. There are far too many people that have bought into this "rich people have it all" mentality and they want their piece of the pie (yes, given to them). I watched an occupier idiot on Hannity's show a few days ago. This guy said he was done with menial jobs, he wanted someone to "give" him a job making $80-100,000. How do you combat such a mentality? Too many people no longer want to really put the effort in to earn their share of the American Dream. They want everything handed to them. If you were that kind of person, who would you vote for, the person who wants to make you stand on your own 2 feet and earn a living OR, the kind of person that will take care of you cradle to grave?
Unfortunately, I think the only way Romney gets elected is if the economy gets so bad that the public gets pissed and takes it out on Obummer. Frankly, I am willing to endure s ome hardship if it means getting someone else in the White house. I do not believe that we can afford 4 more years of this crap. |
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gotchacovered
Prolific Poster
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 09:11:16 AM
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Originally posted by sshaarda
Popular vote doesn't win elections; electoral college votes do.
It will come down to 4 or 5 states. PENN, Va, FL, OH, WISC and maybe throw in MO and MI.
republicans need to remember the Senate and HOR. Don't forget that the Presidency is only 1 branch.
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu
Ecclesiastes 10:2
GW 205
F200 Yam
I think everyone here knows that the electoral college ultimately decides the election, Sshaarda, as that's babe-level information, but (with some technical exceptions) the popular vote within each state decides how that College votes by effectively voting for the Electors of either candidate. That's why we have popular elections. So, Romney's going to need every vote within any and every given state to pull its points. Granted, this is most important in the "battleground states", and SC is probably not going to be nearly as close as some and will probably have a wide pro-Romney margin, easily granting him its Electoral votes, but even SC voted for Jimmy Carter in the 70's, and this is probably the worst political battle in our lifetimes, and one of the most important. Wouldn't it be a disgusting shocker if SC Conservatives got lazy or overly idealistic and watched SC's Electoral votes go to President Obama? Rhetorical question. I know you're with me on that.
The projected electoral maps that I've been following in this election for over a year still show Obama way ahead on projected and "leaning" states. Per Real Clear Politics' map, the toss-ups right now appear to be Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia. Since several of those voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000, I'm hoping the Republicans will pull some over, but it looks like Obama only needs two of them to win.
What Conservatives need here, though--if they want to dethrone President Obama--is for everyone from centrists to far-right Conservatives across this country to focus on the problem in the White House (and Congress) that exists right now, and vote for the better candidate in each race, even if he doesn't fit their ideals. No, Romney's not the ideal Conservative, and nope, he's not a Baptist or a Catholic, but, at least, he's not a race-baiting Socialist. So, we need for people to see the bigger picture and pull together.
I know you agree! Just wanted to say it again!
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/09/2012 09:15:43 AM |
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dream on
Intermediate Member
114 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2012 : 09:16:32 AM
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I dont think that Romney can win against Obama.
Romney will get the republican vote. He may not get all of it. He cannot pull enough of the democrats over to his side. He cannot get the libertarian vote. Most important he will not be able to get the young vote. The young vote is what put Obama in and that is what is needed to remove him. Lets not forget about the Military vote, I think that many of them will simply not vote or may even go to Obama.
I think we are going to have another four years of Obama. I hope that I am wrong about this.
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God."
Benjamin Franklin
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Chris B.
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 09:58:37 AM
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Originally posted by soup
Thomas Jefferson "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Soup....I always find this Thomas Jefferson quote to be a little funny. FYI when TJ died his estate was in so much debt (he borrowed LOTS of money from European investors) that his relatives had to sell everything he owned. In essence he borrowed money he knew he could never repay. Kind of funny how history repeats itself time and time again don't you think. |
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hhi angler
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 10:08:53 AM
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| I would not be so sure of the young vote especially his lead off with the sorry turn out at Ohio State. It was the independents that put the skinny socialist in office and they appear to be turning away from him. He is also in deep crap with the anti war and the gay crowd. |
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Fishb8
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 10:12:37 AM
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The "young" vote are the very same people that are newly out of college with NO JOB. I would not count on them
Fishb8 (Fish Bait)
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saltydog235
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 11:32:43 AM
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Since we are all dependent on media driven polls, statistics and reports all skewed toward Obama, how can anyone quantify a real analysis of what the general consensus is? Try as they might you can only skew the negatives so much. I know the company that I work for in NJ wouldn't cast one vote for the man and most of them normally lean democrat but they've seen what his policies do to them up close and personal. No jobs, high unemployment, high gas prices, high grocery prices, etc., if he's reelected the country deserves the hell it'll get the next four years.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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dream on
Intermediate Member
114 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2012 : 11:33:48 AM
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I dont think the anti war crowd will go to Romney nor the young just out of college with no job. I think that there will be many sitting on the side lines on this one because they are not happy with either one of them.
"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God."
Benjamin Franklin
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soup
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 11:44:29 AM
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Chris B-yeah ole Tom is a treasure chest of inconsistencies. I like to quote some of them to pick on Ona Fissin Mission.
Here is a good one which certainly relates to the present "The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or to be ruled by a small elite."
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soup
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Posted - 05/09/2012 : 11:52:55 AM
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Good point Salty. Take same sex marriage for instance. You can hear repeatedly that the majority of the country favors it, but yet, 30 states, including NC yesterday, have voted against it.
Skinny also has a good point. If the "takers" were to all vote, then the "makers" don't stand a chance. So many bright people in the past have warned that that situation signals the end of the Democratic Republic. |
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Romney vs. Obama
