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capehorn 16
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saltydog235
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 Posted - 05/15/2012 : 9:05:18 PM
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Good riddance. Kid was trouble from day one.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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jerb
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Posted - 05/15/2012 : 10:43:56 PM
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Does that open another scholarship or does the team eat that on untill his original scholarship is up?
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First Born
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 06:31:10 AM
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| Might mean no Red Shirt for Zac Brooks. I would rather see him than Bellamy playing. Bellamy has ridiculous talent, but way too many issues off the field (and fumbleitis on the field). |
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Fishb8
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 06:48:40 AM
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I bet Dabo is breathing easier today. A coach wants to help these kids as well as coach them. but some kids just need to move on. This is an easy out for Clemson.
It is sad to see good talent be held down by a head filled with rocks.
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23Sailfish
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 08:34:00 AM
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Originally posted by saltydog235
Good riddance. Kid was trouble from day one.
Typical Clemson fan? LOL
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7cs
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RWL
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 09:21:53 AM
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| Why is that typical 23? Was he not trouble from day one? I personnally hoped for the best out of Bellamy, but could care less if he straightened up or not. If he didn't learn his lesson it is best for the team that he is gone IMO. If he was not fumbling ALOT and had already showed he was an asset on the field then it may be different, but all he has shown is he is fast as heck and prone to fumbling and can't learn blocking schemes for running backs. I mean, how hard and how long does it take to learn who to pick up blocking? It showed me that he had an "out for me" attitude. |
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shevlin
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 09:34:34 AM
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CLEMSON, S.C. -- Fifty-seven carries for 360 yards. All that talent, all that justified hype, and those are the kid's Clemson stats as he bids goodbye to Clemson.
Mike Bellamy could play at a junior college this fall.
It should be surprising, but it's not for anyone who had even a basic understanding of Mike Bellamy's troubled existence.
To most people who follow Clemson closely, the initial reaction upon hearing last night's news was more sadness than shock. Because if you know how much help he was given here, how hard a lot of good people worked to try to fix what might be unfixable, you shudder to think what might become of Bellamy from this point forward without all those resources.
The gifts Bellamy possessed on a football field were inversely proportional to the glaring and almost tragic lack of foundation off it.
Think of past Clemson athletes who have come from difficult circumstances - Anthony Waters? Duane Coleman? - and people who know Bellamy's story will tell you none other has come close to this one.
You hear bits and pieces of stories about him going through stuff as a child that no one should go through. You consider exploring some of this stuff but then back off, respecting the guy's wishes not to dredge up some of the awful details.
Back in the fall of 2010, when Dabo Swinney was telling irate fans to be patient in the midst of a losing season, he said a few times that help was on the way. He was referring to Sammy Watkins. He was also referring to Mike Bellamy. A slumbering offense was going to get better in a hurry.
Watkins blossomed more quickly than everyone imagined, becoming a virtual superstar from his first series as a freshman. He dazzled the college football world during the Tigers' 8-0 start, when fans and just about everyone in these parts thought anything was possible.
Bellamy's progress wasn't nearly as accelerated, largely because he couldn't remember the plays or hold onto the ball. But he showed some flashes, most notably with that nasty juke on the touchdown run at Virginia Tech. From this vantage point, the kid was Reggie Bush-talented. Talented enough to, eventually, make the same sort of splash Watkins did.
If you didn't know Bellamy was going to be high-maintenance when he signed with Clemson, then you did in the summer of 2011 when he flashed that wad of bills for all the social-media world to see.
As the season progressed, you could sense Chad Morris' frustration with his inability to grasp even the simplest concepts on the field. When it's college football and your quarterback is compelled to stop what he's doing right before the snap to get the running back lined up right, it's a problem.
A bigger problem came the night before Clemson won its first ACC championship in 20 years. Bellamy did something really stupid at the team hotel and was suspended for that game and the Orange Bowl.
From that point forward, you knew Bellamy was getting close to his last strike. And you never sensed abundant confidence that he was going to avoid another whiff.
Bellamy wasn't made available for media interviews during spring practice, and you sensed it was because Clemson didn't want to perpetuate stories about Bellamy making some rapid transformation when such a transformation wasn't taking place. He had a long, long way to go for this to become one of those feel-good stories.
A snippet of information came last week that indicated all was not well with this story. He'd slipped so badly academically that one person observed: "If he's wearing a Clemson uniform this fall I'll be surprised."
Tuesday's release from Clemson seemed to leave the door open for a possible return to the Tigers post-2012. Surely there are some optimists who will cling to that hope of Bellamy returning and becoming a star.
But the people who know the Bellamy story best are not preoccupied with him wearing orange again or putting up mind-boggling numbers commensurate with his mind-boggling talent.
Forget stardom. Let's just hope the kid survives.
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 4:02:33 PM
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Originally posted by 23Sailfish
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Originally posted by saltydog235
Good riddance. Kid was trouble from day one.
Typical Clemson fan? LOL
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How do you figure? I'm betting if you looked back to posts around December I advocated cutting his narrow ass loose then. Kids like that have talent but cannot figure out that its about the team not the individual. He threw away an opportunity, nobody to blame but himself.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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CaptFritz
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Posted - 05/16/2012 : 4:25:34 PM
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From day one? His first touch of the football in a game resulted in a 70 something yard touchdown,against Troy. Tigers needed that TD, they were booed off the field at halftime before coming back and getting the W. Dabo even got a Gatorade bath for beating them. That is where the problems started. Gatorade baths for beating Troy and Wofford.
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IM4USC
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 12:38:48 AM
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Well, just for giggles salty, I did a search on this site and found nothing from you about cutting him loose in December of 2011.
On 10/27/11, I did find this...
I like Ellington and Bellamy
On 9/16/11, I found...
Upset of season will be university of clemson beating a top 15 USC team
On 6/15/11, I found...
Lattimore is a catch, but so is Bellamy, we hope
It's all there in a simple search...
I challenge you to give us more of your delusional insight and then come back here in January or even May of 2013 with more of your corrected for 20/20 hindsight.
I simply can not get enough of this.
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 07:40:01 AM
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You must be a Democrat,
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Hope he doesn't come back. Room on the roster for someone who appreciates it.
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This. Kid needs to grow up, maybe time at a JC will help him out.
He doesn't listen to anyone, coaches or teammates. Doesn't study the playbook. Does his own thing during practice if the play isn't designed for him. Will not block and pouts and talks too much schitt all the time. Word is his teammates are tired of his mouth and attitude to the point of not wanting him on the team. Bellamy might get seriously hurt if he keeps up his attitude, I can see a OL taking a play or two off when he hits the feild.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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Black Bart
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shevlin
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Posted - 05/17/2012 : 11:22:00 AM
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Originally posted by saltydog235
You must be a Democrat,
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Hope he doesn't come back. Room on the roster for someone who appreciates it.
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This. Kid needs to grow up, maybe time at a JC will help him out.
He doesn't listen to anyone, coaches or teammates. Doesn't study the playbook. Does his own thing during practice if the play isn't designed for him. Will not block and pouts and talks too much schitt all the time. Word is his teammates are tired of his mouth and attitude to the point of not wanting him on the team. Bellamy might get seriously hurt if he keeps up his attitude, I can see a OL taking a play or two off when he hits the feild.
Epic fail for IM4USC considering 7cs linked that comment right in this thread.
I simply can't get enough of that.
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IM4USC
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 12:00:20 AM
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He never posted from day one that he was trouble, as he claims, per my simple search of his posts.
Prior to December, he loved the kid. Liked him in October, by his own words, eats his own in December.
I guess you and he count December as day one.
I thought you guys were big history buffs.
Epic typical.
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 07:46:13 AM
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You're a dipschitt, where did I say anything about not liking the kid or seeing the potential he had, that has nothing to do with his personality, immaturity and character defects (ie trouble). In December I said he was going to be more trouble than he was worth and to cut him loose. Your comprehension skills suck or maybe you just like to infer whatever you want. Typical Democrat, spin, spin, spin.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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IM4USC
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 08:37:45 AM
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OK, I get it...
your comments prior to December never ocurred and the December comment is "day one".
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 09:16:45 AM
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No dumbass, my comments prior to December were about the kid's talents and on field potential. They had nothing to do with his off the field actions, demeanor and attitude toward his teammates or coaches. No one knew anything about that until about December. You want me to defend a little schitt that blew his chances because he couldn't do the right things and I won't. He's been a trouble maker in the program from day one. Unlike another coach, in spite of the fact he's got talent, Dabo and the AD cut his ass. Grow the phuck up, your little ploy and democrat post/context edit failed and you looked stupid, accept it.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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IM4USC
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 10:20:48 AM
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They cut him because they had no choice, they couldn't hide his academic performance.
Trouble from day one?
No one knew about him until December?
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shevlin
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 10:32:10 AM
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Originally posted by IM4USC
He never posted from day one that he was trouble, as he claims, per my simple search of his posts.
Prior to December, he loved the kid. Liked him in October, by his own words, eats his own in December.
I guess you and he count December as day one.
I thought you guys were big history buffs.
Epic typical.
You said you could not find anything about Salty cutting him loose in December. That is what I was responding to as Salty's post in December was linked in this thread and you missed it. Go back and read your own words.
If you had said "day 1" in the first place then you would not have failed. Good attempt to twist it to make yourself look right. Reading comprehension is not that difficult.
Epic fail #2 in this thread.
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 10:43:05 AM
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Originally posted by IM4USC
They cut him because they had no choice, they couldn't hide his academic performance.
Trouble from day one?
No one knew about him until December?
C'mon now.
They should have cut him for his acedemic performance, he's a STUDENT first and foremost, there wasn't any hiding to it. He simply failed to take advantage of all the resources available to him and thought he could skate by because he was a football player.
Yes, he was trouble from day one. His lack of maturity coupled with his ego and lack of discipline and failure to do the work necessary on the feild was a problem we learned about later in the season. However, the public/fanbase didn't find out how much of a problem the kid was until he was sent home from Charlotte in December.
What part of that do you not understand? Mike Bellamy is/was almost a carbon copy of Squeaky Watson. You remember him don't you? Some kids just can't handle college but the world needs ditch diggers and burger flippers.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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IM4USC
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:16:49 AM
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My reading comprehension is just fine.
And don't change the subject.
The day one claim is categorically incorrect.
And, they had no choice in the matter, in fact, it wasn't up to them. It is an NCAA requirement.
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Fishb8
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:28:30 AM
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To IM4USC, Day one must mean from his birth
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saltydog235
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:42:51 AM
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No one is changing the subject. The subject is Mike Bellamy being booted from the team by not adhering to the minimum academic standards of a student athelete. It isn't categorically inccorrect to say he was a problem from day one, he was, we just didn't find out how much of a problem he really was until last December. Furthermore until the recent developments no one outside of the coaches and faculty knew he was having trouble keeping up with his classes. No one had to own up to anything, nor were they trying to hide it. The staff followed NCAA rules and kicked him off the team, period. Quit trying to make a conspiracy out of a straight forward disciplinary action. There's no vagarity in the posts I've made either, the kid has/had incredible talent but his decisions off the feild led to his dismissal, as they should have.
Mark
Mako 262 Twin Yammaha F200s
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne
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IM4USC
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:52:07 AM
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Day one to me, means from the very start, not December.
You liked him in October, you said he was trouble from day one in December.
The day one issue you claimed, is my point.
If you go back and edit/delete your posts prior to December, you will look like a genious.
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