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gotchacovered
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gotchacovered
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 Posted - 05/18/2012 : 10:13:38 AM
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Here's the long version.
First, I do NOT encourage people to CONCLUDE that the President was born in Kenya, but shouldn't we at least wonder why Obama's own PR firm (Acton and Dystel) said he was Kenyan born from 1991 until 2007 AND why the Kenyan newspaper, The East African Standard (Sunday Standard) also said that Obama was Kenyan born in 2004, when Obama ran for the Senate--without any retraction or demand for correction? Also, does anyone wonder why Acton and Dystal CHANGED their "born in Kenya" statement to "born in Hawaii" in 2007? Hmmm, it sat there as "born in Kenya" since 1991, and then, just when Obama begins his campaign for the Presidency, voila, it changes to "born in Hawaii". How convenient! That's not the least bit suspicious?
Read for yourselves. Don't let anyone else make your conclusions for you--especially not me. I've already "Snopesed" these, so don't waste your time on their site. They don't address Acton and Dystel, per my searches, and the only thing they say about the article in the East African Standard is that the part about "Kenyan-born" didn't appear in other AP articles.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
http://brianekoenig.com/2012/05/acton-dystel-website-obama-born-in-kenya-bio-changed-in-2007/
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OK, here are the questions.
Why was it OK for Obama's own people to promote his Kenyan birth UNTIL 2007? What was special about 2007? Why the change? Why are people NOW bad guys if they claim what his own people claimed before 2007 about his birthplace?
Are people really crazy just because they believed the PRESIDENT'S OWN PR FIRM? Was the President lying then or now?
When people ask, "where do you get this conspiracy theory?", can't the "birthers" just say, "from President Obama's PR firm"? Afterall, if the President's own PR firm believed it and PROMOTED it to the public, well, how can the average voter be wrong for believing it, too?
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Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
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Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/18/2012 10:22:41 AM |
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blue_earth
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 10:57:48 AM
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That is fishy, i'll give you that.
I'm surprised that, you of all people, are wondering why people can ignore evidence?
Get this: there's these people who believe in this book called the old testament that is supposedly THE WORD OF GOD...yeah his words. And based on what he says, this god guy created the heavens and earth about 6000 years ago.
Now here's the kicker! We have like this uh, scientific method and through that we have a good idea that there was life on earth millions of years before this god dude got busy in his workshop makin' stuff like people, snakes, rapists, unicorns, and ford falcons - and then flooding the place a few years later. That guy was a little crazy. So we like have really hard evidence to back all this science nonsense up: you know, fossils, rocks, some actual DNA.
So don't be surpised that people ignore evidence. We've been doing so for 2000 years!
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:08:25 AM
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So, to cover for Obama, you change the subject and attack the Bible?
Wow, talk abot logical fallacies. You just bought the cake factory.
As for evidence, the evidence of the Creator is all around you. Yes, you are, indeed, ignoring it, and you apparently understand neither the Bible nor the science you cite.
First, nowhere does the Bible state the age of the Earth. You are confused and are referring to extrapolations derived by rabbis and monks. Second, the belief in God is no more fantastic than the belief in "dark matter", parallel dimensions, or aliens, but many secular "scientists" postulate such ideas. Finally, the "science" that attemps to explain the origin of life on Earth is filled with flaws. I seriously doubt that you have or will not consider the evidence or arguments in anywhere close to an objective light, though, so on the last day, just remember that I told you that God is real and that you are in for a very rude awakening.
If you have an objective bone in your body (doesn't seem so), I have something for you to watch and consider. Let me know if you're man enough to watch it and consider it, and if so, I'll send it to you.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:10:07 AM
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OK, now, back to the TOPIC! (?)
Blue-Earth, are you going to just excuse your ignoring of the evidence over Obama's birthplace by pointing to arguments about God, or are you going to man up, and admit that Obama may have been lying to us all along and that the birthers may actually be right?
What if they are right? Does it even matter to you? Does it matter than Obama's OWN people said he was born in Kenya up until he ran for President?
Well? Is "that's fishy...but what about God" all you have to say?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/18/2012 11:11:44 AM |
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blue_earth
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 11:39:16 AM
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
OK, now, back to the TOPIC! (?)
Blue-Earth, are you going to just excuse your ignoring of the evidence over Obama's birthplace by pointing to arguments about God, or are you going to man up, and admit that Obama may have been lying to us all along and that the birthers may actually be right?
What if they are right? Does it even matter to you? Does it matter than Obama's OWN people said he was born in Kenya up until he ran for President?
Well? Is "that's fishy...but what about God" all you have to say?
Lee, yes, it's good for your position. It's in a published writing. He very well may be foreign born. I never said he wasn't, nor did have reason to challenge his official bio. The thing is, it doesn't really matter because BO is not gonna come out of the closet on this...he will always deny it regardless of how much public outrage is expressed. DENY DENY DENY.
I'm glad you're all wound up about it: who doesn't want to seek the truth? I'd like to know the real story myself. However, i think you're just spinning your wheels because the truth is hard to come by in politics, much less presidential politics.
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Fred67
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 12:20:46 PM
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Originally posted by blue_earth
That is fishy, i'll give you that.
I'm surprised that, you of all people, are wondering why people can ignore evidence?
Get this: there's these people who believe in this book called the old testament that is supposedly THE WORD OF GOD...yeah his words. And based on what he says, this god guy created the heavens and earth about 6000 years ago.
Now here's the kicker! We have like this uh, scientific method and through that we have a good idea that there was life on earth millions of years before this god dude got busy in his workshop makin' stuff like people, snakes, rapists, unicorns, and ford falcons - and then flooding the place a few years later. That guy was a little crazy. So we like have really hard evidence to back all this science nonsense up: you know, fossils, rocks, some actual DNA.
So don't be surpised that people ignore evidence. We've been doing so for 2000 years!
Religion allows perfectly decent and sane poeple to believe by the billions what only luntaics could believe on their own.
You spike my interest, how do you figure on 6000 years? I've also heard 3000.
I believe more like 4 billion or so to get everything like god wanted and then he created us. Humans. Yes I believe in evolution, just not in man's beginning. As we parted from the garden of eve we evolved, our ancestors changed to match the climate they were living in. As we evolve further if we don't kill ourselves off we'll probably be pretty much one color. They already predict that in another 100 years we will have no more red-heads due to the recessive gene.
ops sorry .... I digress away from politics.
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/18/2012 : 5:43:07 PM
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Originally posted by blue_earth
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Originally posted by gotchacovered
OK, now, back to the TOPIC! (?)
Blue-Earth, are you going to just excuse your ignoring of the evidence over Obama's birthplace by pointing to arguments about God, or are you going to man up, and admit that Obama may have been lying to us all along and that the birthers may actually be right?
What if they are right? Does it even matter to you? Does it matter than Obama's OWN people said he was born in Kenya up until he ran for President?
Well? Is "that's fishy...but what about God" all you have to say?
Lee, yes, it's good for your position. It's in a published writing. He very well may be foreign born. I never said he wasn't, nor did have reason to challenge his official bio. The thing is, it doesn't really matter because BO is not gonna come out of the closet on this...he will always deny it regardless of how much public outrage is expressed. DENY DENY DENY.
I'm glad you're all wound up about it: who doesn't want to seek the truth? I'd like to know the real story myself. However, i think you're just spinning your wheels because the truth is hard to come by in politics, much less presidential politics.
Religion allows perfectly decent and sane poeple to believe by the billions what only luntaics could believe on their own.
That's actually not bad post at all right there, man. We probably are spinning our wheels, since nothing will likely be done, but remaining silent in the face of what might be the worst government abuse in the history of the United States, on the brink of a re-election of someone who might be a total imposter is not something I want to go down on the books for having done, so I'll spin my wheels some more.
I'm nnot exactly "worked up", though. I'm just wondering how and why so many who call themselves "Americans" can vote for a man who is this dubious about the pertanent details of his past, and to such an extent that he might be hiding the fact that he's a completely illegal president. Any American who is true to the ideals that founded this union would be repulsed by the idea of a foriegner lying his way into the White House. So, why do so many just not even care as they continue to support the man?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
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jstrange
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Posted - 05/19/2012 : 05:21:26 AM
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If it can be proven that he was born outside of the US and is not a natural born citizen it would be a felony to run for and be president. He would/should go to prison for at least thirty years. All bill signed into law could be overturned in an instant. We could point to the Left and send a bunch of other bastards to jail for conspiracy, sedition and treason. Shoot, Obama could earn the death penalty with that proof at this point.
Umm, you gonna eat that?
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/20/2012 : 10:15:06 AM
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Absolutely, Jstrange. That's why we should demand that all the facts be fully considered with full objectivity by none other than the Supreme Court. The spinning of the wheels comes in where we know that justice will never prevail in this half-destroyed country. Here we have a President who basically called HIMSELF Kenyan born (through his PR firm), and not enough people in power cares enough (or has the guts) to get to the truth or do anything about it.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/20/2012 : 10:20:16 AM
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Blue_Earth,
Doesn't this evidence mean that the "birthers" deserve an apology from their critics? I mean, how can they be called "whackos" for just believing what Obama's own PR firm told them for 16 years about his birthplace--up until it was conveniently changed when he ran for President? Did he not create that biography for himself? Where did his PR firm get it? Was Obama lying then or now? Should his PR firm be labelled whackos and nuts now?
You see, folks, this is exactly how it goes down over and over again. Conservatives say something, and the Liberals call them crazy, and then Conservatives are either proven right or show that the other side made the same claims before, and when they show the facts to the Liberals, the Liberals just blow it off. No honor. No retractions. No apologies. No meeting in the middle. Just dishonor and dismissal of the facts. (I'm not talking about YOU, Blue-Earth. I'm talking about how Liberals in general blow this off and don't grant the OBVIOUS to the "birthers" on this).
The Liberals want to fight to the death over a "dangling chad" and declare a ballot that THEY created "unfair" and "biased in favor of the Republicans", but they don't even care that their Democrat President's own PR firm promoted him as a Kenyan-born immigrant, and that he may very well BE a completely illegitimate President.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/20/2012 10:25:22 AM |
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sternline
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Posted - 05/20/2012 : 4:42:30 PM
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"Where there's smoke...." One would assume that with all the ongoing Hoorah about the Bum's birth, he would have conclusively proved his origins as American.
My guess is he cannot!
His BC was taken apart by computer experts who proved to my satisfaction that it is a bad Photo Shop job.
Many folks have acknowledged his Kenyan birth!
He has no conscious or moral center and to hope that he will somehow change is purest folly!
All that's left for us to do is vote him out.
"Watch what we do, not what we say." John Mitchell
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Easy
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Posted - 05/20/2012 : 6:47:01 PM
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> > Some issues have been discovered by Sheriff Joe's investigation. .
> > James H. Illies CPM....
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> > 1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes'. So how can the Obama
> > birth certificate state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even
> > used at that time?
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> > 2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth
> > as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big
> > deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is
> > age 25 years old and that Obama's father was
> > born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern,
> > except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two
> > whole years after Obama's birth and 27 years after his father's birth.
> > How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist?
> > Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East
> > Africa Protectorate".
> >
> > 3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of
> > birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
> > This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called
> > "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home",
> > respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity &
> > Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.
> > How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate
> > dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
> >
> > Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?????
http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
> > Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya
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> > <http://hosting.gmodules.com/ig/gadgets/file/111144257485755267205/einstein.
> > png |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 07:53:19 AM
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More crickets!
Liberals, please stop sticking your heads in the sand, and consider the facts instead of sweeping it all under the rug like a favorite uncle who cheats on his wife. Obama's OWN PR firm PUBLISHED in an official public biography that he was born in Kenya. According to a key man for the the PR firm who released it, the firm had individuals write their OWN biographies for their publications. That suggests that Obama, himself, told the American people what he was born in Kenya--up until his 2007 run for the Presidency, that is, at which time the publication conveniently, and suspiciously, changed the birthplace to Hawaii.
Blue-Earth was honest enough to admit that this is a problem. Are you?
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/21/2012 07:55:50 AM |
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hhi angler
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 10:18:04 AM
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| If evidence does exist as to the actual truth about the skinny socialist foreign birth who would take any action. Certainly not the DoJ,Congress,the Supremes maybe the TEA party? If he is replaced would a new President have the courage to bring up the subject or just gloss over it? |
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gotchacovered
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 10:40:32 AM
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That's the thing. The enforcement agencies are all under the President's control, and most everyone else is afraid to even admit that they see any slight hint of potential validity to the claims for fear of being labelled "crazy" or a "birther" by leftist media hounds and Liberals. That's how they roll. They create fantasies about Bush being an illegitimate President and concocting a war for personal gain, but when the President they elect shows some REAL cause for suspicion, they berate you with harsh names and characatures if you even give the alleged whistle blowers an ear or a voice. Stand up for gun rights, and they call you a gun nut and say you want to "shoot first, and ask questions later". Recite what the Bible says about certain "lifestyles", and they call you a "hater". Vote for someone other than Obama, and they call you a "racist". Recite what Obama's OWN PR announcement PUBLISHED about HIMSELF, and they call you a "crazy....birther". So, you're right. It probably won't be addressed like it should be, and that's a disgusting thing to see in the country that was founded upon free speech and the concept of risking everything for freedom and justice. However, it DOES comfort me to know that SOME HAVE taken it seriously--including some judges and even some DEMOCRATS.
Be it known that the first "birther" was a Democrat. Actually, the first "birther" was either Obama himself or his PR firm, but the first one to bring the issue up as a problem for the election was a Democrat. Oh, how they seem to forget this when they blame the Tea Party, Republicans, and other Conservatives.
OK, so, next, what will happen if Mitt Romney wins and it's found that he has some alleged secret? Will the Liberals blow it off like the "birther" controversy, or will they demand an investigation? Any guesses?
The fact that the powers that be ignore this controversy is as important as the truth or falsehood of the controversy itself. If you are accused of a crime, you are arrested and held until trial. If the so-called "President" HIMSELF says he is a criminal who defrauded the whole country out of the the White House, nothing happens. That is MESSED UP! In effect, the man CONFESSED to the crime before it happened, but no one will even consider whether or not it's true? Why not? Because they think stuff like that can't happen in America? Is America an infallible god?
We have a "President" who dodged attempts to validate his birth for years and who spent over a MILLION DOLLARS on legal subterfuge to obfuscate his past--and now, we have a document where HIS OWN PEN or representatives CONFIRM the accusations against him PRE-EMPTIVELY! Despite all that, we aren't supposed to even care or try to find the truth? We're "nuts" if we BELIEVE the PRESIDENT'S OWN WORDS?
Wake up, Liberals, and admit that you smell the coffee.
Gotcha Covered,
Lee Strickland
Strickland Marine Insurance Agency, Inc.
https://stricklandmarine.net
843-795-1000 / 800-446-1862 |
Edited by - gotchacovered on 05/21/2012 10:43:06 AM |
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hhi angler
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 11:07:14 AM
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| There are still all of the other covered up and glossed over subjects concerning this individual. Higher education records,financial support etc. The majority of the mass media will not even allow any decent concerning him the electronic media will dedicate hours of good will and the print media will use most of there publications assailing Romney. |
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joeboo
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 10:05:13 PM
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What about all the neat photo's of obama in his black panther get up? All gone. search it now. I got several viruses on an old computor while searching oboma's past. I think that was on purpose. You just don't see anything about his past. That should be enough. But when you are looking for free hand outs and money for nothing it just does not matter. Hey don't think about were I came from or what I really stand for just know for a short time I will give you a means to deal dope, fornicate, and raise bastards. All while I give the money from our working class to those who will vote for me..... U.S. trash. We are at a turning point, I just wish someone other than Romeny would get my vote.
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Why Is Evidence Being Ignored?
