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Phin
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 Posted - 06/26/2012 : 11:53:37 AM
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How many of you learned from family or friends growing up?
How about later in life?
The internet?
Magazines, watch TV shows, DVD how-to's, books, etc.??
How many figured out how the masters of the craft learned and tried to follow their paths?
How many paid to go on charters to learn how they did it at that time?
How many try to get on as many boats as possible so they can learn another good idea?
How about offering themselves up as mate or deck hand on somebody's boat so they can learn?
Some people value gas money. Some people value loyalty. Others might value knowledge. And still others may just want a tournament win or a dock cart full of fish. How about just a good time?
What's your motivation both on the learning side and teaching side?
Edisto-fisher, bless his departed-from-charlestonfishing . com heart, used to talk about a fisherman's level. He had levels one-five I think. Been thinking about his outlook lately and wondered if folks would share here so that everyone reading could understand a little more about our sport. We focus on the fish too much sometimes, IMO.
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Phin
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 11:59:03 AM
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as a matter of reference, EF's levels were:
1)any fish
2)many fish
3)big fish
4)hard to catch fish
5)released fish ?
possibly 6) he recently told me- "teaching"
You see what happens when you get past #5? What's the focus on? Why does it take us this long to change our focus I wonder????
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Fishb8
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 12:59:36 PM
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I learned later in life from going with others. Most of my trips include kids (mine, friends and others). I fish 1 time a year with just me and my best friend. That is the only trip I actually reel fish in. I let the less experienced/kids do all the reeling. Besides watching someone else catch their 1st offshore fish is awesome.
So I would say teaching
Now if I could just get my good friend Phin to teach me the art of bottom fishing 
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big jigger
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 1:23:56 PM
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I have learned what little I know the hard way being boat b@#$ on a few different boats cleaning fish scrubbing boats paying for gas and bait none of which I minded doing cuz I learned something new everytime I was lucky to meet some really good people along the way . My father doesn't fish so it has become something I have picked up along my teen years . I still have a lot to learn . My opinion now days everyone wants to be a glorified fishing god images of a tool model and a teacher too much criticism
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Gut Wrench
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 1:38:40 PM
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i learned from my Dad on bottoming fishing and running a boat,most of the trolling i learned from the group of guys i have met here in Charleston and reading books,magazines etc..
I find i really enjoy taking people out and putting them on fish,its more about seeing them catch their first whatever verus me reeling in anything,i wouldn't say i am a teacher because i still learn something new every trip,its just more about letting others get out there so they can see what this addiction is all about. |
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Touche
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 1:45:38 PM
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I received my first taste of saltwater fishing sitting in the front of my dad's aluminum Lund catching stingrays/spots/croakers/whiting with blood worms while he flounder fished.
My first offshore lesson came from a fella named Skip Opalko and my father when I was about 13. Ever since then I could not get enough of it. I log most every experience I have on the water and read almost every saltwater publication I can get my hands on. I will talk to any and every one about fishing to try and pick up some nuance of a detail that may help on the next trip.
When I came across this website my junior year of college I knew I had found a goldmine. I picked up some rigging tips here and there but the true value from this site came with the real-time data in fishing reports. Knowing what colors were hot, when and where the fish were biting etc.
I pull almost all of my gratification from taking people brand new to the sport. You can lose sight of it sometimes on these boards and walking around the dock but VERY FEW people in this world ever get the chance to experience the gulf stream and everything in it from turtles to sunfish to flipper to billfish/dolphin/tuna etc. Seeing people's eyes light up when that first dolphin comes over the rail and receiving phone calls two years later from people wanting to talk about the time we went offshore makes all of the spent money and time worth it.
I feel there is much to gain in all mediums you have listed Phin. Every time I think I have it all figured out, I will ride on a boat and realize that if I just made this one little adjustment in this situation I could have even more success.
I used to feel that a trip was a failure if we didn't come home with tails sticking out of every box in the boat. Over the last few years I have learned that conditions will often dictate the number of fish you are going to bring back and that as long as everyone on the boat has a smile and had a good time, the trip is a success.
One 60lb wahoo makes for a long day of trolling but plenty of groceries for everyone back on the dock.
I hope this is something along the lines of what you were looking for Phin
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RussB
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 3:05:22 PM
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I could troll all day offshore without even a hook on the line and still have a awesome day. To me it is just being out on the water and how all ones "other" problems seem to just dissolve away. Putting fish in the box is just a added bonus in my book, same goes for hunting. Now, putting a kid on his first fish or hundreth, whether off or onshore is where it's at in my book, the joy they get is priceless to me and worth way more to me then me catching a dozen grander marlin. Also nothing more gratifying then watching a kid release a fish with the knowledge that he will now be able to maybe catch it again. That's the future of our fishieries.
I think a lot of it came from being raised at a early age on the water in different oceans all over the world and being tought to have a healthy respect for the oceans and all it's creatures.
My Dad wasn't so much a fisherman as he was a sailor, he tought me basically most of what I know about boat handling, ocean conditions, weather patterns, etc...
The man I credit for my fishing passion was a life long friend of my family who lived in Hawaii, when we lived there he used to take me out every single day with him hand line commercial fishing, and trolling, he also hooked me up with several charter captains who I mated for. When I was struggling in school there with multiplication tables he took me out fishing and tought me a rhyme for allmost every one, and used fish for examples. The next day I aced the math test. That really showed me that fishing is much more then just "catching fish".
"Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after" HDT
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"One thing becomes clearer as one gets older and one's fishing experience increases, and that is the paramount importance of one's fishing companions". John Ashley-Cooper
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Touche
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 3:16:10 PM
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Thanks Russ.
Do not tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish.
- More Maxims of Mark, Johnson, 1927
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Phin
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 3:30:29 PM
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That is exactly what I'm talking about.
The past few years, I have not been able to fish much, if at all, during spring. I look at this forum and see people coming out of the woodwork catching fish and even talking down towards others when only a few months earlier they were newbies themselves. I see some bragging too- some deserved and some not! What I don't see enough of, at least in my opinion, is people happy to have just gotten out there. Some folks who don't get to go as much as they used to have a different perspective on what's worth the most from a trip. Seems I have become one of those people myself.
Just want people to realize what it's all worth because sometimes you get caught up in the competition with others or yourself.
I enjoy learning and then seeing others learning now. I have definately done my share of bragging and showing off, but now it's learning and wondering what I can give back to the sport in terms of the people - not just the fish.
Reading the way I used to talk or the way I see some others talking on here, it seems silly to me now. People think they are better fishermen than others if they have caught more fish this year than someone else. Meanwhile someone else may have caught a lifetime of fish already and may just have a different motivation to go offshore.
I learned to fish in the ponds and river where I grew up. Had a chance to do it basically every day if I wanted. By the time I got in college I could care less about it. Now I want to teach kids about it and see them happy and challenging themselves- much like we want to see children learn to behave and approach the rest of their lives. Same with offshore fishing. So many analogies to life that people seem to soak right up, especially if they're young. I Bottom fished a little with my granddad when I was a kid. Those were the loran and paper graph days. He would break down almost every trip, but he never gave up and ALWAYS brought home tons of fish for everyone. Then, when I was a teen, we didn't bottom fish as much because granddaddy couldn't go anymore and we thought trolling was a bigger deal. Had bigger and bigger boats until I went to college and then the boat became too much to keep up and get to enjoy. So back to smaller boats, and I went maybe 4 or 5 years without fishing in the ocean but maybe twice the entire time. Then I moved down to Charleston and got a small center console to use nearshore and inshore. Next thing I know I'm on here reading fishing reports and thinking, "what the heck... why am I not doing that like I used to? I know how to do that." So I started getting on boats with others and going. Made friends through this forum where I could go basically year-round instead of just during summer when family or friends would be at the beach on vacation. Then comes along Purpose One, and we ride with him as he is just trying to learn the area. I saw how much he knew and saw that he needed help on the boat, so voila. Funny how things work out according to Someone else's plan. One of my best friends, and we taught one another things. Mostly him teaching me. Worked hard for someone who also worked hard, and there was respect and then knowledge shared. Then, countless other folks have been host to me on their boats. Even more sharing of ideas and experiences. Now, a few guys fish with me pretty regularly. A few just like to go try and catch big fish. Others are cool with whatever and are constantly learning from what I am doing. Others come and have their "firsts" on my boat, and I enjoy all of it. I went on someone's boat this past Saturday with one of the best crews I have fished with in terms of skill and knowledge and work ethic. Not to mention the owner/captain and boat itself were beyond awesome. Although it was not the same way I fish on my boat I enjoyed it even more with them because I fished a little myself. Then, on Sunday, I went fishing with a kid who absorbed everything that was said and done as well as his grandfather who had not fished for grouper much before. The trip was laid back and relaxing. Hospitality awesome once again, and there I was- not trying to limit out on species, not trying to break records, not going all out just to fill the boat with fish. It wasn't important. That kid watching what I did to release a "giant snapper" felt better than killing one ever did. Even though I know the snapper ban is bull, the successful release of a nice snapper was far better than catching and keeping any other fish. And I had more fun on the trip with a kid who was just watching than I remember it ever being with older dudes on the boat. In a way it reminded me of how I used to be- just watching it all. Sunfish, dolphin, grouper, wahoo, sheerwaters, even an aircraft carrier and jets catapulting off.
I lose sight of how blessed we are. When I go home to the country and talk about offshore fishing, it's like I'm from an exotic foreign country. And a 25ft center console with a single engine is not frowned upon like it is here on this offshore forum either!
Funny how it all works in our sport, and funny how we lose site of what is most important. It isn't the chase- it's the people you share it with.
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Bolbie
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:05:16 PM
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| sounds as if Phin is pushing towards level 7 |
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itzsyd
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:09:17 PM
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I have been fishing all my life, but only in the last six years got into nearshore and offshore fishing. Started out with a 19' cc with no gps and would run compass bearings to artificial reef buoys. From there, we just ran headings from buoy to structure and watched for the fish on sonar and set reef marker. Really just going at it pretty blind for a while, but had a great time. Most times we would do pretty decent on the fish also.
Got a bigger boat a few years ago and now I have a lot more options. Still, pretty much all of my knowledge is a combination of books, Internet, forums like this and alot of time spent on the water. Most of the time I take friends, family and co-workers who have little experience offshore. I end up doing a lot of the work, but I enjoy it. I like to put people on the fish. Pretty much all of my offshore time has been on my boat. First stream trip we laid a goose egg when everyone else was slaying the fish. Got some good advice from some people at the dock and the next time we slayed em.
I agree with Russ B above in that just being out there is a victory in itself. I learn a lot from every trip, if it was super easy I would be looking for a new hobby. I have an 11 month old son and I just can't wait to pass some of this stuff down to him.
Have been fortunate enough to have met some really helpful people who are always willing to share some spots, tactics, etc..some people I have taken out will probably never have the opportunity to ever get to experience it again. But I promise they will never forget the trip, and those kind of people are in awe of what some of us might take for granted: dolphins, turtles, flying fish, even weed lines and other flotsam at the stream. Touch hit it on the head, that is what it is about for me.
Watching my wife catch her first tuna, dolphin, red snapper, etc.. You couldn't wipe that smile off her face if you tried and she wil never forget it. Now if. I could just get a decent window when I can actually fish.... |
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itzsyd
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:19:52 PM
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| Phin, well put! I know what you mean about going home to the country and talking about this stuff and the looks that you get in return. Great topic for discussion, I think about this often. Some just don't get it. |
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dreamin-on
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:21:21 PM
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My Dad has a passion for fishing. The earliest I remember was once going down to Folly when I was about 4 for a surf fishing trip. We stayed until the fish stopped biting. I didn't care, it was fun and it let me stay up past bed time.
Also had the pleasure of going fishing with Dad when we lived in San Diego in the early 80's and in NJ also in the same decade. We caught everything from Flounder to big Stripers. I lost interest in high school (Stall High was all I could handle) but still went a couple of times with my Dad and Neighbor, by this time we were back in Charleston and fishing offshore. I moved away and it wasn't until about 2000 when I came back to Charleston that I wanted to get back into it. My Dad now has Parkinson's so he doesn't like being offshore anymore but he still does everything else. For him it's about the challenge of catching what's out there.
For me it's about being out on the water with friends and family. I love fishing, and learning a new challenge. I also love sharing what I know about fishing. There has always been someone that took me fishing when I didn't have a boat, so now I save a spot to take 1 person who has never been. I don't know all that much about this great sport we have, but do manage to bring home fish. I still do what I can to get on someone else's boat (PLB in pocket) and see if I can learn something new, see how others rig their equipment, why they do this, how they do that, and everything in between. If anything, I have learned is that our city has the best fishermen in the world, we share and teach. I have never fished with anyone here who has not been anything short of outstanding.
Still, it will always be offshore for me until I cant physically go anymore. There is nothing like being able to see as far as the horizon on a clear day, or seeing the sun rise on the way out. The ocean in a way is my happy place.
It wasn't until about 3 years ago that I found out about this site. I definitely learned a bunch. Thank you all from Charleston Fishing for posting!
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Touche
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:25:28 PM
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Originally posted by dreamin-on
Still, it will always be offshore for me until I cant physically go anymore. There is nothing like being able to see as far as the horizon on a clear day, or seeing the sun rise on the way out. The ocean in a way is my happy place.
TRUTH.
Do not tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish.
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chaselevy
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:37:01 PM
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I started fishing in Murrells Inlet probably when I retired from diapers. Earliest memory I have is on our familys Glastron catching drum on the jetties. My Grandfather retired the day I started walking and up until the day he passed away he made sure if I had a spare moment there was going to be a rod in my hand. He always made sure I could launch, drive, navigate, anchor, and bait every trip. When I was younger these things seemed redundant, but looking back I miss those days out on the inlet more than anything! My first boat was his hand-me-down 19 Sea Pro that I still cherish to this day, but today I have upgraded to my Sea Fox yet nothing has changed from what he taught me. I still strive to learn from anyone who is willing to teach me. I seldom get a chance on my boat to reel in a fish, but 100 fish could not compare to seeing the smile on friends and familys faces when they catch one. Im with phin, I constantly wish I was in that bigger Freeman or Yellowfin, but I never really think how lucky I am to be able to take my boat offshore and fish with the people I care about. In the end, its not how many fish you have caught in your lifetime, or how many trips offshore you have made, but its how many lessons you have learned and how many experiences you have given others.
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jws
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 4:45:01 PM
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| I came out of the womb knowing everything there is to know about fishing. I think that puts me at a level 12 or so... |
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Phin
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 6:12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Bolbie
sounds as if Phin is pushing towards level 7
Is that where you have been?
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sellsfish
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 6:58:38 PM
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I still learn EVERY trip.....it never ends.
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DoubleN
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 7:09:21 PM
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That was a good read Phin, Thanks man.
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Courtland
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 9:02:31 PM
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When your 12 year old son hooks a fish and passes the rod to the 10 year old on the boat, now your fishing.
I set personal goals for myself, fishing a lot more artificials. Making the baits myself, giving them life and color. Big fish, light tackle, no harness, out of MY element. That is the progression for me.
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auburnwill13
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 9:22:10 PM
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My dad and grandfather were the ones that got me hooked on saltwater fishing. We used to go to the piers up and down the coast of NC and fish all we could and every once in a while we would go out on head boats and catch Snapper and Grouper off the bottom. As far a trolling, I am willing to go out with anyone that is willing to take me out and teach me anything they can. I have gone out with captains from Key West to to Hawaii to Wake Island. I find myself working on the boat more than I spend fishing, and I love every second of it! I try to get on the helm as much as I can to learn what I can. If the captain wants to run the wheel then I go to the deck and try to work the mate into fishing. I have as much fun rigging baits and helping people as I do reeling in fish. I love just being out on the water with fish coming over the gunnel. Hopefully one day I will be up to level 4 at least. All that said, if anyone ever has anything they want to teach just let me know.
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Slosir
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 9:44:01 PM
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| Okay, it's official. I want to learn the black art of offshore fishing! Never have beennin a boat in saltwater until I boat my first boat about 5 months ago.I read about all of you guys almost everynight and have to admit, I don't think I know what I am missing. Would any of you great captains like to take pity on me and my son and help us learn? |
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skinneej
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 10:47:57 PM
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There are only 4 levels and I believe that they are also in the hunter's ed course. They mark your MAIN "goal" or "desire" when fishing\hunting.
1) any
2) many
3) big
4) challenging
Most fishermen never make it past level #2. You can tell who they are. They have one goal, to fill the cooler with as many fish as possible. People who are in category 3 typically throw back smaller fish and even purposely avoid smaller fish to find larger ones. If you have a cooler full of peanuts, you are a #2. Category #4 is someone who has on the big lures looking for that marlin when everyone else in the ocean is catching 30 lb gaffer dolphin. They could care less about certain species and just want to land that fish that nobody else can catch...
My background... I caught my first sailfish in my father's boat at the ledge in Charleston when I was 10 (That would have been 1986). It was a 19' bayliner at the ledge with a force 125 hp on the back. THe boat only held 60 gallons of fuel. To extend our range, we had a 30 gallon bladder style tank and a 15 gallon hard plastic tank. We ran the bladder first until it was sucked dry. When that happen, we rolled it up and out of the way and switched over to the hard red tank. We used the buddy system back then. Funny enough, our "buddy boat" was no other than the famous Kenneth Nelson's father (can't remember Kenneth's login name on this site). We even got to fish together sometimes. Kenneth's dad had a HUGE boat. It was a 22' Grady with cuddy cabin and hard top. Back then, sailfishing was a lot cooler because you could stick a gaff in them and hoist them over the rail. My fish weighed in at 53lbs and led the trident tournament up until the last week in which I was beat by a 55 lb fish. That fish still lives on the wall at my dad's house. We didn't have girls like ladyshrimpkilla that caught 70 lbers every weekend back then. That wasn't our first trip however. We started out trolling around the jetties for king macks. No livies back then, just balleyhoo. We eventually headed offshore down the shipping channel even out to the C-buoy on some days in search of the elusive mercury missile. We pushed further and further offshore over the years eventually hitting 80-100+ and seeing that blue water. It was only a matter of time before we "picked our days" and headed out to the ledge. We didn't have EPIRBs, SPOT, even GPS back then. There were no LCD furuno plotters. We had a paper chart plotter made by Sitex that drew the bottom with a small pencil on a roll of paper which you had to replace once in a while... We used to put our boat in at the James Island Yacht club, City Marina (yes, they used to have a ramp), and even Wappoo Cut once in a while.
As far as "teaching"... You either like to teach or you don't. Honestly, I don't feel that it's my job to teach everyone on the internet to fish. As a matter of fact, I think it's a really bad idea to turn complete strangers into efficient killers. Most of them are just going to corn hole you and run over your lines later. For what purpose? I believe in 1:1 teaching. When people PM me, I tend to help them out. Or if I get a chance to know someone or they hop on my boat and chip in for gas, I like to teach. But as far as teaching the masses to fish, no thanks! |
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skinneej
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 10:58:18 PM
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| Hell, I almost forgot! Back then, the skipper didn't pay for fuel. I think gas was around 70 cents a gallon or so and usually my dad's friend forced him to take $100 bill for gas and bait. My dad refused to take the money but then his friend always insisted. Nowadays, you have to get a second mortgage to fill your boat up and worry that people might get "t-rex" arms when it's time to fill up! |
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silky
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 07:38:33 AM
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To all,well done it is great to read and be encouraged by others you don't know but would; some day like to go fishing with or at the least like to meet.As I sit and read these latest post it is great to re-call in memory anyways some past fishing trips and how wonderful they all were.I thank my parents for taking the time to take me hunting-fishing but most of all to respect the out-doors that all of us have grown to cherish!
Sport-fishing for me is the wonder of each time a different adventure never knowing what to expect even though I hardly get to go anymore (live in the up-state) and all the characters you meet along the way, I think this sight is great and hope to sea you out there! |
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Black Bart
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 08:06:08 AM
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Excellent topic, Phin.
I've fished casually all my life. Father wasn't around, so mom would take me to Lion's Beach and Folly to wet lines whenever she wasn't working 2-3 jobs (so we could have cool clothes, Nintendo, etc...). Also had a neighbor (with two daughters who didn't like to fish) who took me (freshwater) fishing whenever he went.
I went to college, got married and moved to Charlotte where I've been for the past eleven years. Luckily, I now co-own a business located in North Charleston, and my "business" trips have allowed me to rekindle my passion for fishing. I go every chance I get when I'm down (usually inshore), and there's nothing I'd rather be doing.
I've also chartered with several big boats out of Charleston and try to learn all I can every time I'm fortunate enough to get offshore. The good Lord blessed me with the ability to play college football, but I can honestly say there's NOTHING in the world that gets me more amped than the sound of singing drag and the bedlam that it causes!!! While a full box is nice, I consider the fish to be an ancillary benefit. To me, the charters are learning trips. I do all the basic grunt work the mates will allow me to do because I consider the trips to be hands-on how-to seminars. "Teach a man to fish..."
What little (real) fishing knowledge I have I've gained in the last few years. I use the internet, magazines, tv shows, this website, and anything else I can get my hands on to fuel my additction. I've "met" several cool fellas on this site and hope to meet many more. I have, and always will, gladly pay my share (or more) for the opportunity to fish with any of y'all. Tight lines!... |
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