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shevlin
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 Posted - 07/13/2012 : 06:58:45 AM
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at it again. Scary stuff here and I have a lot of family in Australia who are extremely upset/concerned about this.
The Australian Government is on the verge of locking all recreational anglers out of over 1.3 million square kilometres of Australias oceans for Marine Parks. These areas include internationally renowned iconic Game and Sport fishing locations such as Shark, Osprey, Marion and Kenn Reefs in the Coral Sea and Geographe Bay, Perth Trench and Dampier in Western Australia. These areas are frequented and experienced by not only Australian recreational anglers but also recreational anglers from all over the world.
Australias recreational anglers have always supported appropriate marine conservation measures based on sound science. In fact, Australian recreational anglers are renowned for their work in marine habitat restoration and marine conservation. However, we have not been provided with any justification as to why recreational anglers should be locked out of these areas.
The Governments proposed Lock out approach to Marine Parks is in response to multinational lobbying lead by the Pew Foundation. Pew has supported a multimillion dollar advocacy and media campaign in Australia that is uncompromising in its approach to lock recreational anglers out of vast areas of Australias oceans.
We have one last opportunity to turn this proposal around and get the Government to base their decisions on science rather than the strong-arming of the anti-fishing lobby. The Australian Government is soon starting a 60-day submission period after which the Government will make a final decision on Marine Park boundaries. If left unchanged, the Government proposal will see these areas locked up to recreational fishing forever.
An organisation called Keep Australia Fishing has been established to manage a Dont Lock Us Out campaign including a write in petition to the Australian government. The petition asks the Australian Government not to lock recreational anglers out of Marine Parks, rather to reconsider their proposal and assess the establishment of Marine Parks on sound science.
We are asking for the support of IGFA members to help us send a strong message to the Australian Government, by writing to the Government directly or by going to www.keepaustraliafishing.com.au and join the online write in petition.
We fear that if we cannot turn the Australian Governments proposal around it will set a disturbing precedent, not only for future Marine Park decisions in Australia but for Marine Park decisions internationally. We must not let this happen!
"I'd hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."
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mike7653
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sellsfish
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/15/2012 : 09:34:34 AM
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And isn't it nice to know that PEW funnels money to the CCA!!! Keep up the good work PEW.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
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DFreedom
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/15/2012 : 7:50:46 PM
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| Hey Paul, could you elaborate on PEW giving money to CCA? I'd like to know more about that. |
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Blind Hawg
Intermediate Member
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Posted - 07/15/2012 : 11:44:06 PM
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PEW is a sorry sack of shineola,they help pay CCA lobbing efforts.Read Wetland Riders best book regarding domestic hidden agendas helps lead to some International stuff.Helps to be informed.
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sellsfish
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/15/2012 : 11:53:53 PM
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copied from another commercial fishing site......
PEW funded Organizations:
-Oceana
-The Ocean Conservancy
-PETA
-The Audubon Society
-Environmental Defense Fund
-GreenPeace
-Sea Shepherds
-Save The Manatee Club
-World Wildlife Fund
-Sierra Club
-Clean Ocean Action
-Tides Foundation
-Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Coalition (of which CCA, The Billfish Foundation are members. Nice, huh?)
Now why does PEW back door fund these organizations like the CCA?
"THE PEW CHARITABLE TRUSTS"
"Program Investments"
"Before submitting a letter of inquiry about partnering with us, you should first review the Program Priorities area that most directly matches your proposed project. Please be aware that our investments are highly focused, making support very unlikely for activities that do not closely match our program goals."
Notice on the PEW website that in order to be funded by PEW like the CCA is funded, PEW's support is very unlikely unless the CCA's activities closely match Pew's program goals. And we know what PEW anti-fishing goals are. And CCA taking money from PEW now PEW goals are CCA goals. And since CCA knows if this gets out it it not a good reflection on the CCA so the CCA uses the misleading bogus press and news releases to cover their tracks.
Keep in mind: CCA Emeritus Ed Sapp and CCA Emeritus George Geiger both recommended by the CCA for the voting rec seats on the GMFMC and the SAFMC that they currently hold have voted against the recreational fisherman without one scintilla of sound science.This fact in no way reflects Ed Sapp's or George Geiger's intentions to represent the fair interests of the recreational fishermen, but it does represent Ed Sapp's and George Geiger's intentions to be good little CCA minions and vote the way the CCA wants them to vote to the detriment of fairness for the recreational fishermen of Florida. And anyone who fronts, spins and/or apologizes for this guise and pretext is disingenuous and dishonest.
PEW is now invested in the CCA and Pew expects a return on Pew's investment in the CCA and CCA Emeritus Ed Sapp's and CCA Emeritus George Geiger's no sound science anti-recreational fishing votes are giving PEW a return on PEW's investment in the CCA.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
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DFreedom
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 07:36:08 AM
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| Thanks for the info Paul. I'll have to look into this a little further. |
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 10:09:56 PM
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That is the SOLE reason my family and I stopped supporting CCA.
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Gut Wrench
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 12:42:58 PM
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 6:44:26 PM
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95% of the people that are a member of the organization don't realize all the politics around it. I think they would spend their money differently if they did.
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Wando Grill
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 7:29:05 PM
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-Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Coalition (of which CCA, The Billfish Foundation are members. Nice, huh?)
That's a far cry regarding CCA supporting pew.
But go ahead and twist it..
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Phin
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 7:52:47 PM
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Originally posted by Wando Grill
regarding PEW supporting CCA.
fixed it
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 8:05:31 PM
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Please Wando explain why RFA had to support the march on Washington and CCA was no where to be found.
Where is the CCA support on snapper closure?
They did great for red fish but where is the support for us offshore guys??
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Wando Grill
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 8:23:59 PM
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I will be happy to sit down with you and discuss.
Cut and paste means nothing regarding facts.
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Wando Grill
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 8:30:25 PM
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The march,,,,?
Feel good tour is what it was.
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DoubleN
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 8:42:36 PM
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My CCA plate will be used to zero my new pellet rifle. Just sayin.
I will say I was one of the 95% before "seeing the light" on CF.COM.
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Wando Grill
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 9:01:26 PM
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I have a suggestion.
Let's set up a lunch or meeting on a Friday.as scouting lives elsewhere and we can discuss. I will try to get the guy from CCA SC to come which I am sure I can do.
Two groups working for the same goal is much better than Internet discussion or debate.
What do you guys think about this idea?
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 9:05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Wando Grill
I have a suggestion.
Let's set up a lunch or meeting on a Friday.as scouting lives elsewhere and we can discuss. I will try to get the guy from CCA SC to come which I am sure I can do.
Two groups working for the same goal is much better than Internet discussion or debate.
What do you guys think about this idea?
big dog
I live in the upstate. Sorry or I would come. Would really like to meet you in person Wando.
This could be a good meeting. Lots of Cf.comers share the same frustrations.
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Wando Grill
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 9:14:09 PM
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We can work around your travel to the low country.
I would like to get you involved and meet you as well.
I know your passion for offshore as I enjoy the same.
Listen,
I am not trying to sign you up for CCA and maybe I will not be a RFA kind of guy but somewhere in the middle things can happen.
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Wando Grill
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 9:27:46 PM
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And phin,....
We want you involved and of course paul.
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
Senior Member
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 9:42:19 PM
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Wando, I do struggle with the fact that CCA shows very little to know involvement with this site.
It comes across to me and others that they have something to hide or are not telling the whole story. As you know myself and others are very passionate about this subject. I personally felt very betrayed with the lack of support on the Washington DC trip with the lack of support. Jeremy at Atlantic Game and Tackle was one of a very small group of local businesses that stepped up to support us. To this day I still give him all my business and as much of my friends as possible. Sure I don't own a big sporty but I like to think myself along with the other 7 boats worth of guys I fish with make atleast a little slash in the sport fishing economy.
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Phin
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 10:50:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Wando Grill
I have a suggestion.
Let's set up a lunch or meeting on a Friday.as scouting lives elsewhere and we can discuss. I will try to get the guy from CCA SC to come which I am sure I can do.
Two groups working for the same goal is much better than Internet discussion or debate.
What do you guys think about this idea?
big dog
This would be great, and it's what we have wanted from the beginning.
To be honest, there wouldn't be a need for two groups if the initial group had not alienated some other folks with comments that were quite negative and dismissive that we're circulated around among those who were influential in the community regarding the "new guys" who we're just "mad about the snapper closure" or "hot heads."
I think you would be surprised to learn of conversations and actions that have occurred between and parties as well as what has been done both for and against folks. Just as you have obviously spent a bit of time listening to one side, there's another side. That's all the more I am going to say. Water under the bridge. Respect lost for certain people but working on rebuilding it as well as something in the form of credibility and trust.
Please do not continue assuming you know all the history with this stuff. There's lots you don't know and have seemed to not really want to know. That's your prerogative. But if you want us to sit down and work together then there needs to be some honesty and respect rather than finger pointing and bashing. I not once bashed cca until i was misled and then personally bashed by someone. At that point, when people continued to be misled then I was not going to hold back so much. You will note a dramatic change in things on this forum in the past year or so though. Nobody wants to fight, but I will fit you if you continue subscribing to the same spinning and publicity garnering agenda from folks who create problems in order to flip flop and then fix then, all the while waving their flag and asking for money to be donated.
If you want to ask for money, then do what's right. If you are taking money from someone more powerful than me who does not share my core values then I am not going to give you money nor allow you to stand in front of everyone telling them it isn't how it really is. You take money, then you have a duty to your members and donors. No organization is perfect. RFA and CCA both have had their problems. However, one of the two has questionable staff and leadership at the national level, and I am tired of that being ignored and defended by people who can change it if they want.
Like I said, there wouldn't be a need for more than one org if.........l..
Let's sit down. Let's be honest though. Let's be honest about cca's primary goal being to end commercial fishing. Let's be honest about cca taking positions not based on science but on that theory that selling fish is wrong. Let's be honest about cca joining the environs at the proverbial table in order to have some say in negotiations. Let's also be honest about where some cca funding comes from as well as who else cca's national lobbyists represent. I can be honest about RFA as well... About how Viking yachts started it to aid in lowering certain fees and taxes for those buying and operating yachts. I can talk about who the RFA lobbyist is and how there is personal beef between him and cca folks. I can talk about whatever you want. Maybe even the trips to Washington, the calls to elected officials, the campaign donations. Whatever you need, man.
I am looking for some clarity but I'm also looking for some honesty. The cca sc guy knows me and he knows what I am talking about. He knows I have never tried to hurt anyone or their business but it seems like folks somehow get that impression. That's the farthest from the truth, and some could reply here to attest to how I have personally called them asking them to quit attacking others in our community who are in conflicted positions and who try to help us and listen to us no matter what other bs is being told to them or spread around them.
I don't want cca to go away. I don't want cca sticker wearers to be run off the road. I just wish they knew, and I wish that everyone knew. Cca needs to act for their membership and not make survival mode decisions. The non position until winner declared mode of operation is not good enough. The scientist in ever safmc meeting with the cca salary but not opening his mouth isn't good enough. The fundraisers with whatever percentage going to the project and whatever going to the party isn't good enough. The sponsors not having a clue about offshore closures and the economic harm to our community isn't good enough.
You see where I'm coming from as someone who can't do much more but has been called "running for office," "hothead," "on fox news but then forgotten about"..... Etc etc?
I don't get paid anything. What do I gain by posting all this? The only somewhat enemies I have in my life have resulted from this fisheries political BS GAMBLE some think they can win.
I don't want my kids to be criminals when I teach them what my parents and grandparents taught me about life and God's creation and our responsibility here. Do not keep telling me I am a bad person on account of my belief in that please.
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Cracker Larry
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 10:59:04 PM
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Beer cheer to Phin
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Phin
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 11:20:23 PM
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Originally posted by Wando Grill
And phin,....
We want you involved and of course paul.
big dog
I don't think we are that different you know.
If I am told there is no problem and that fisheries need to be shut down if the government says so, then there will be no further conversation. We will have a difference between us that cannot be resolved.
The government in this case is not acting on our behalf nor the fishes' behalf. Putting charter captains and small commercial operations out of business without statistically reliable data and sound conclusions is not my idea of proper management or "the right thing to do." When I fly to Alaska I want to pay a guide to learn the fishery not spend a week screwing up and hurting the fishery i am ignorant about even.... Sorry if you disagree and put anyone who makes money off fishing in the same category. Tackle shop owners would not be happy with that position I doubt. That's exactly the position you defend when you sandbag the broken law and broken process that cca took much credit for getting implemented. You still even employ the former us senate staffer who wrote in the changes now as your lobbyist because of the wonderful job he did getting that agenda accomplished. This isnt jnk i was fed by rfa. This stuff i learned on my own by looking theough legislative history and ethics disclosures. Cca should be experiencing enormous success following that political win, but they are not. Ever wonder about why cca isn't? Is national on the same page as the membership? You know the answer if you have been curious for long. The answer is also obvious if you poke a boat past the beach today with a fiahing rod aboard. Cca's founder passing really set them back in my opinion. Money leads now, and that's the whole issue. The cca can be great if it chooses to be. I am seeing it being wagged by k street lawyers tho...
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Phin
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 11:26:34 PM
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 Goodies
Wando, I do struggle with the fact that CCA shows very little to know involvement with this site.
It comes across to me and others that they have something to hide or are not telling the whole story. As you know myself and others are very passionate about this subject. I personally felt very betrayed with the lack of support on the Washington DC trip with the lack of support. Jeremy at Atlantic Game and Tackle was one of a very small group of local businesses that stepped up to support us. To this day I still give him all my business and as much of my friends as possible. Sure I don't own a big sporty but I like to think myself along with the other 7 boats worth of guys I fish with make atleast a little slash in the sport fishing economy.
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Cca posts press releases on here, and a couple state officers read the site and post info pretty often.
Cca doesn't get involved in arguments officially because there is usually more to be lost than gained on the web. People can say what they want and there is no accountability for their factual accuracy or anything. The person who can type the most usually wins. S I look like a bully even though cca has hundreds of thousands of members and millions of dollars. I am just one of those Internet bullies or whatever who questions things and digs around for info. Sometimes things get forwarded to me or repeated to me over the phone though, and it sounds like its someone else who was the bully and I may just be someone who stood up to it.
I am not sure anymore. I just want to see fish managed right and people not hurt.
Wish none of this had ever happened. It's a nightmare.
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Wando Grill
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Posted - 07/19/2012 : 9:36:38 PM
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Wow.
I mistake your idea about discussion to mean you have already determined what all is about?
I keep my words very simple. Together we can overcome. It just seems like a good idea to try to bridge this gap.
I have read your long posts and might agree on certain topics but that is not the answer to the problem.
You are studied in what you believe but I see a problem..
Save your words for a up front discussion.
Lawyers get paid for long discussions. Just got a bill from mine.
Kiss.....keep it simple sugar.
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