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skinneej
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 Posted - 07/16/2012 : 12:02:47 PM
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Had to go to the Miami animal shelter today. You have to register your dog with the county here every year. Pulled a number and realized that I had about a 45 minute wait so I took a stroll around the kennel...
There were probably 100 dogs there. I saw 1 pure lab, 3 lab-ish pups together from the same litter that somebody ditched. But there were DOZENS of Pit Bull\"Terrier Mix"\"Bulldog Mix" breeds. If I had to guess, I would say around 30-40% fell into this category. No other breed really stood out like this. To top this all off, the lab has been the #1 most popular breed in America for about 21 straight years. The pit bull does not even make the top 10. Statistically, how can this happen? If all dogs were equal and all dog owners were equal, then statistics would have it that the distribution of dogs in the kennel would be relative to their popularity... That is of course unless all dogs\dog owners are NOT equal...
Oh yeah, one more thing to factor in... Pit bulls are the only dogs that are prohibited in Miami-Dade county... It's amazing how a breed that is not supposed to exist here appears so frequently in the kennel from "stray", "owner surrender", "neglect", etc...
I will let you draw your own conclusions...
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Fishb8
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 12:44:28 PM
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"That is of course unless all dogs\dog owners are NOT equal..."
That is the issue
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Black Bart
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 2:41:42 PM
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| I bet there's a direct correlation between the (former) owners of those abandoned dogs and the illegitimacy rate in that (or any) area. Sounds harsh, but the truth hurst sometimes... |
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Fred67
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 3:19:43 PM
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I'd give you heck for your dislike of pit bulls and their owners, but I mostly agree with you. I'm sure there are a couple out there that are ok, but I think in most cases they are used to make up for owner inadequacies. Why have a dog that is known to turn on it's master or use a baby as a chew toy? Then again why leave a baby alone with any breed of dog?
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skinneej
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 4:39:33 PM
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| Fred67, I agree with you. I am sure that there are some pretty good pitt owners out there. Heck, I know at least one guy on this site who is a capable\responsible pit bull owner and loves them like his own children. But, as you mention there is a certain breed of humans that is attracted to this breed of dogs. It's NOT a race thing, but a mentality thing... This certain breed of humans are the ones who are the breed of humans who neglect the animals and drop them off at the pound when they aren't wanted anymore. |
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stonoman
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 6:09:03 PM
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I know three Pit bulls that are just outstanding.Sace played with one.The dog gets a bad rap.
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jughed
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 08:06:58 AM
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Originally posted by stonoman
I know three Pit bulls that are just outstanding.Sace played with one.The dog gets a bad rap.
Stonoman
The dog actually gets the rap it deserves. I agree 100% that not all of them are bad, I will even go as far to say that most of them are fine dogs. The problem with the breed is simple:
-You don't know when one will snap, and you can't easily stop them once they do snap. Kids have no chance. Regardless of training or having "good" owners, the dogs can snap. Its in their nature.
My wife came home with a mutt one day that looked like a lab/chessie mix, grew up to be a chessie/pit mix that was over 100#s solid muscle. Great dog, was trained, loved, babied, easy - until kids came around. The dog out of the blue snapped and tried to kill my 6 year old nephew, took everything I had to stop the dog. If I wasn't there, if my wife had to stop it - my nephew would be hurting or dead. We retrained the dog, saw experts, trained again... all was well until we had our own children. The dog tried to kill my daughter when she was sitting in her bouncy chair. He was on the other side of a baby gate, came thru the gate and right at her full speed. Somehow I stopped him.
A well trained dog that was otherwise perfect. Its in their nature. |
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Mad_Mike
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 08:47:16 AM
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Sounds like that dog just wasn't good around kids... Ive known Labs, shepards, and poodles that hated kids.. hell my moms ****zue HATED kids... That dog wasn't even full pit, maybe the aggression came from the chessie side. Chessies are known to be aggressive dogs.. in fact of the three I know all of them are pretty tough unless you know them, and one of them I would never allow near small children.... but i'm sure its the pit to blame, as always.
Pits are good dogs... "Snapping" is not in their nature as an entire breed... as a dog owner its your responsibility to know your dog, his good and bad traits and put him in situations that he can handle...
There is a strong relationship between ****ty owners and pits.... unfortunately..
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JimIslander
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 08:47:45 AM
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I have a lab/pit mix. We adopted her as a stray. One of the best dogs we ever had. It's not in her nature. Really depends on the breeding, not the breed. Just as you have some labs that absolutely will not fetch, while others will fetch until they die, some pits are naturally gentle and some are naturally aggressive.
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jughed
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 09:44:28 AM
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Originally posted by Mad_Mike
Sounds like that dog just wasn't good around kids... Ive known Labs, shepards, and poodles that hated kids.. hell my moms ****zue HATED kids... That dog wasn't even full pit, maybe the aggression came from the chessie side. Chessies are known to be aggressive dogs.. in fact of the three I know all of them are pretty tough unless you know them, and one of them I would never allow near small children.... but i'm sure its the pit to blame, as always.
Pits are good dogs... "Snapping" is not in their nature as an entire breed... as a dog owner its your responsibility to know your dog, his good and bad traits and put him in situations that he can handle...
There is a strong relationship between ****ty owners and pits.... unfortunately..
Mad Mike
"to hell with insane... I'm OUTsane!!! "
Could have been the chessie part, but I've been around chessies for a long time, seen them snap and have been bitten by one. When this dog snapped, it was different.
My buddy owned chessies and had water front on the chesapeake, we gave him the dog for a few months to see if he would be better off away from the kids. "Lou" was a 135# alpa chessie that lived there, my dog tried to kill Lou the moment they met. Not fight for dominace, not playing, my dog went to kill Lou. He tried to kill Lou about once a week. He acted and looked like a pit that was in the fighting pen with another dog. A different level of crazy.
When Max went after my kids, I had to tackle him and lay on him for 20 min or so before he calmed down. He would continue to growl, snap, slobber and fight the entire time. This isn't chessie crazy, this is pit crazy.
Look, I am not anti pit bull. But they are what they are, and the potential is the issue. Pits along with a few other breeds can't be stopped by most people, and children are SOL if one attacks.
Your moms #$%#zoo can be stopped by the flick of a wrist or kicked across the room, a pit will only get more P.O.ed. |
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Bolbie
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 10:28:56 AM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Fred67, I agree with you. I am sure that there are some pretty good pitt owners out there. Heck, I know at least one guy on this site who is a capable\responsible pit bull owner and loves them like his own children. But, as you mention there is a certain breed of humans that is attracted to this breed of dogs. It's NOT a race thing, but a mentality thing... This certain breed of humans are the ones who are the breed of humans who neglect the animals and drop them off at the pound when they aren't wanted anymore.
I guess that same mentality of humans straps blades onto chickens and throws them in a pit together? |
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Fred67
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 5:55:26 PM
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Originally posted by skinneej
Fred67, I agree with you. I am sure that there are some pretty good pitt owners out there. Heck, I know at least one guy on this site who is a capable\responsible pit bull owner and loves them like his own children. But, as you mention there is a certain breed of humans that is attracted to this breed of dogs. It's NOT a race thing, but a mentality thing... This certain breed of humans are the ones who are the breed of humans who neglect the animals and drop them off at the pound when they aren't wanted anymore.
I guess that same mentality of humans straps blades onto chickens and throws them in a pit together?
Funny you say that, most chicken fighters that I grew up with or knew had pit bulls and could have cared less about what their children were doing. Maybe that's why I liked the chicken fights, Dad's daughter that was unsupervised.... Been to one dog fight... never again. I would rather see two inmates kill each other.
To all that defend pits.... it is in their nature. They were bred for fighting prowess. Some after centuries were bred to sit on your lap. But then all domestic dogs came from the Canis lupus and that is one bad rascle.
Here's the facts: A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds and a 10 year study showed that 42% of all dog attacks were by pit bull breeds. They also have the highest mortality rate of all dog attacks. I won't own one.
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jstrange
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 7:27:49 PM
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If I ever owned a dog that lunged at a child, that dog would be dead by sundown.
Umm, you gonna eat that?
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quarterpound
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Posted - 07/20/2012 : 10:23:52 PM
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For a website that has so many intelligent individuals, I find it hard to see people that believe in so many dog myths! Dogs do not snap and go crazy. Pit Bulls are not an aggressive breed by nature. They are working dogs. They were not bred to fight. They are no more dangerous than any other breed. In the 70's, it was Dobermans that were dangerous and people were afraid. The 80's belonged to German Sheppard's. After that, it was the Rottweiler.
Now we have the Pit Bull.
I am more afraid of high strung Chiwawa or Beagle than a Pit. My wife and I are owned by a 14 year old Australian Cattle dog and a 4 year old Pit that was found in a ditch near a horse farm in Ridgeville that must have been the runt of the litter at 4 weeks old and near death. I am 63 years old and have owned plenty of dogs, but my Pit is the most Loving and affectionate that I have ever been owned by. Both of my dogs are very protective and my Pit can be menacing if you try to enter my/her house, but they do not attack. The '91 study that was brought up about Pit Bulls is pure Bull Sh*t. For every negative you find about Pit's, I'll show you the same about any other breed and then 10 articles to the contrary about Pit's. Do not pretend to be a dog expert if you you have no knowledge of dogs. Any breed can present a problem if not trained. Any breed can be trained to be dangerous. All breeds can be trained just the opposite.
Food for thought. Was the guy in Colorado that killed 12 people and wounded 50 others a Pit Bull. Were the three individuals that killed the man in Hanahan Pit Bulls? Of course not. Pure aggression is a human emotion. Animal aggression is a protection response
Dogs do not act on revenge, rage, jealousy or other emotions. They can be trained to attack by their owners! They live to please their masters.
Sorry for the length of my rant, but I know dogs, how to train them and Pit Bulls are not deserving of their bad rap |
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jerb
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Posted - 07/20/2012 : 11:47:40 PM
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| I have a Lab mix that is by far the very best dog I've ever had. However she did lunge at a kid that i didnt know who was running through the yard without permission. We had a kid on the way which made me want to shoot her. I was convinced by his mom not to do so. I watched her every move around our kid and she seemed to bond with him. I think the running kid was accident because i played with her ruff and taught her to jump/lunge at me playing. That being said I accidentaly taught her that just having fun but she thought she was just playing with the kid maybe????? Since then (5 years later) she is very protective of my son and has never been aggresive with him. Her name is Lucy and she knows over 30 commands and is the dog of my lifetime. I've been asked by many people to train there dogs but I'm not a dog trainer. She knows me and wants to please me. I couldnt imagine life without her. Last but not least she is chocalate like a lab but has the head of a bulldog of some kind. With all that being said I still do not trust a pit. I have been around some that are great but use caution. Not all are bad/mean but there are bad apples in every breed!! |
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skinneej
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 2:17:04 PM
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| quaterpound, would you rather face a pissed off lab or a pissed off pitt if you had to defend yourself? |
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Cracker Larry
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 6:29:10 PM
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quaterpound, would you rather face a pissed off lab or a pissed off pitt if you had to defend yourself?
Generally speaking, I'd rather fight the pit (only one "t") over a strong adult male lab, if they were equally pissed off.
An adult pit bull terrier averages 25-75 pounds. Most are under 50 pounds. An adult lab averages 60-100 pounds. I'd much rather have a 50 pound animal mad at me than a 100 pound animal.
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Easy
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 7:59:23 PM
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| You got that right Cracker! If I'm trying to get away from either of them, I would take the Pit! He can't jump as high as the Lab and grab, while I climb that tree or jump on that car! Plus, the Lab will go into the water after me and drag my kicking, crying, azz back to shore! I had a run in with an Irish Setter once! They are mostly pretty laid back dogs but not this one. I got out of my truck and made a delivery and when I went back to the truck the dog was sitting behind the steering wheel and wouldn't get out or let me in. Sat there and snarled at me. I tried every thing to get that dog out. I had to wait 2 hours for the owner that lived next door to come home from work. Only Setter I ever saw, that I was afraid of! I think he wanted to drive! |
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skinneej
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 10:39:16 PM
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| That means that you guys are complete dumb asses... A pit bull can take down a lab in about -3 seconds. There is a reason why they don't have underground labrador fighting. |
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Easy
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 11:01:34 PM
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Neither one can take me down if he can't catch me. They say white men can't jump, you want to bet? When something is after me I look like I'm climbing a rope in gym class! |
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jerb
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 11:05:29 PM
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| Obviously you've never seen a pit catch a hog... they dont use labs for catch dogs!! |
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jerb
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 11:54:39 PM
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| Good video but where is the lab??? I would def rather have a 50 puond pit over a 120 plus Rottwieler!! |
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skinneej
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Posted - 07/22/2012 : 12:00:15 AM
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Originally posted by jerb
Good video but where is the lab??? I would def rather have a 50 puond pit over a 120 plus Rottwieler!!
My thoughts exactly. I know one thing... That guy measuring the bite force has a set of nuts on him. No way that I would have done that without some full body armor on! |
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jerb
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Posted - 07/22/2012 : 12:05:18 AM
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| Right on skinnyj!!!! How ya know they are gonna bite your arm pad!!! |
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skinneej
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Posted - 07/22/2012 : 12:07:53 AM
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Ha ha ha... Was looking for bite statistics on Wikipedia and found this morsel instead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
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One 9-year (19791988) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that, of the 101 attacks where breed was recorded, pit bulls were implicated in 42 of those attacks (41.6%).[36] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[37] One 5-year (19891994) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (28.6%) of the 84 deaths where breed was recorded.[38] One 15-year (19912005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45.4%).[39] Another 15-year (19942009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were involved in most of these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) attacks were attributed to pit bulls. All other dogs combined accounted for the remaining 65% of attacks.[40] In 44.8% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim's family.[40] The author's state:
Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.[40]
One 5-year (20012005) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of bites. Of the 551 patients treated, breed was identified in 269 cases. Of these 269 patients, 137 (50.9%) were attacked by pit bulls.[41] The authors write:
...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators.[41]
One review of the medical literature found that pit bulls and pit bull cross-breeds were involved in between 42 and 45% of dog attacks.[42] Fatalities were most often reported in children, with 70% of victims being under the age of 10
BUT THE BEST PART>>>>>> THE REASON I STARTED THIS THREAD>>>>>>
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Personality traits of owners
Several studies have determined that pit bull owners and owners of other "vicious" or "high risk" breeds (most commonly identified as Akita, Chow Chow, Doberman Pinscher, Pit Bull, Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix) are more likely to have criminal convictions and are more likely to display antisocial behaviors. A 2006 study comparing owner's of "vicious" dogs to owners of "low risk" dogs determined that the former group had nearly 10 times as many criminal convictions.[50] A 2009[51] and a followup 2012[52] study generally supported these conclusions.
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