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Phin
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 Posted - 12/02/2007 : 8:12:32 PM
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This is one of my Hoo-X reels that I've had since a little before the summer. This is the one with all the scamp and black sea bass milage on it.  Suffice it to say that I reelly like these reels.
I decided to take one apart a few weeks ago just to take a look at the inside and change the harness lugs around to have a flat top. I found a pretty complicated antireverse system and I knew the "planetary" gearing was tricky, so I didn't go into any of that part of the reel. You can get to the spool bearings and clicker without taking down any of the gearing or shifter because those things are inside the right side plate and all slides off together.... Everything looks great. A little grit came in thru the harness lug holes but crusted up on the grease instead of harming anything. The drag also is in great shape, and that's what I wanted to look at mainly since some people have had problems with the dry carbon fiber drag discs in these reels getting salt on them. This reel has been as wet as you'll get one without throwing it into the ocean, and it's been cranked on as much as you'll ever crank on a reel... but I am not even going to clean the grease or oil off and put anymore on- everything looks good so all I'll do is whipe some of the grit away and put it back together. This is what I'm talking about when I say some reels are more durable and need less maintainence than others.
First, I unscrew the 4 right side plate screws with a philips head. Then, the harness lug has two screws that take one of the hex wrenches that come with the reels. You don't have to remove these two screws and the harness lug in order to get the right side of the frame off, but I will take them out later in order to get the spool out of the frame and of course to flip the lug upside down since I use this reel to bottom fish and do not need the lugs sticking out of the top and into my hands.
Here's what the inside looked like when I opened it up. You can see a little bit of grit that got in through the harness lug hole in the top of the reel. It doesn't look like anything at all got in through the gap between the spool and the inside of the frame.
The antireverse system is not like the Pro series Avets, which have two large dogs that stop the spool. The swing bar you can see on top of the two gears here is what actuates the big antireverse dog that you see in the very top of the picture. This looks like something I don't want to mess with since I'm not familiar with it!
Note the position of the bar when I am pulling backwards on the reel's handle. It seems as though this is how Avet gets a silent retrieve on these reels without using a one-way antireverse bearing that usually blows out when it tries to withstand higher drag settings.
Also, note the matching mounting area for the anti-reverse dog on the right side opposite where mine is located. Perhaps this is done so they can use the same raw parts to make their left hand model reels. That's the only thing I can figure....
What's cool here is even the aluminum parts inside the reel are anodized blue in color. See the blue plate that holds the antireverse dog in?
Here is the titanium drag plate (left) and the carbon fiber disc, which Avet now glues to the side of the spool so that nothing can get underneath it to contaminate it. Their theory is that if stuff gets in on top of this disc, the next time the drag is used, it cleans itself off and continues operating smoothly. It looks like mine is operating fine.
Close up of the drag plate and the rubber-sealed stainless bearing on this side of it.
Close up of the drag washer and the drag spring that keeps the spool off the drag plate when the drag is not pushed that far forward. Below the washer, spring, and other washer, is the right side spool bearing. I am unscrewing the harness lug here, and you can see some of the salt and crap that got trapped in that area. This is a drawback to their design I think. I know they made the reel this way so that you could take the right side plate off easily with only 4 screws, but this design allows crud to sit there on top of these two screw heads. Grease on top will keep that from hurting anything though. 
Here are the two washers and spring I mentioned above and the other side of the right side spool bearing. It is open on the inside side as is the larger left side spool bearing, that you'll see next. So they're sealed on the outside, and open on the inside.
Here's the larger left side spool bearing, which is open on the inside where nothing can get in to contaminate it (inside spool), after I slide the spool off the shaft. You can see the clicker under the left side harness lug, which I will switch around in a minute. Everything looks good. No corrosion... no sign of water intrusion, etc. in this side of the reel except a little around the harness lug, which is to be expected.
Here's the left side of the spool. Everything looks good. The black piece is what the clicker tongue contacts to make the sound when it's pushed on. I have not used this clicker at all I don't think- only to hold the spool a little when the reel is being stored... so I don't know how well this part of the reel would have held up if I had been trolling with it or something.
Here's the spool shaft pulled out of the frame. Sorry this pic is a little fuzzy. The large left side spool bearing is the last bearing on this side of the reel. There is a pin that goes thru the base of this spool shaft that keeps the shaft from turning (sorry the picture isn't sharp enough to see this). The spool only floats on the spool bearings, and the only thing that can turn it inside the reel is contact from the drag plate.
The shaft sleeve you can see laying in the background above is basically a spacer between the right and left spool bearings. In the foreground, is the outside of the right side spool bearing, which is sealed, and another spacer and the bellville washers where the clearance is fine-tuned to put out the proper drag range. This is one of the areas where some people add or remove washers to hotrod these types of reels. Some people say that changing the configuration of the washers will change the reel's drag. I leave them as they are.
I've unscrewed the two harness lugs here on the left side of the reel, and now I'm putting them back in with the lug turned around.
Now, I've put everything back into place, but I forgot to put the right side lug in before I put the right side plate on. Doesn't matter... I can still move it between the slide plate and right side plate allow the two hex-head screws to pass through it.
Here's what the reel looks like with the lugs turned down.
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 10:04:57 PM
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Why reverse the lugs? I am going to put you on a tuna in the spring that will work that thing over and you are going to wish you had them!
You trying to be come the alantani of the East coast?
MISTAKES
It could be that the purpose of your life is to only serve as a warning to others.
All Rise - 31 Contender Fish Around with a pair of 250 Yamahas
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Phin
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 01:07:41 AM
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 Goodies
Why reverse the lugs? I am going to put you on a tuna in the spring that will work that thing over and you are going to wish you had them!
You trying to be come the alantani of the East coast?
MISTAKES
It could be that the purpose of your life is to only serve as a warning to others.
All Rise - 31 Contender Fish Around with a pair of 250 Yamahas
Alan is a good guy. I talked to him through a few emails before. He's a pharmacist but repairs reels on the side.
I have no where near the knowledge or experience of Mr. Tani, and I must give him credit for the reel maintenance pictorial technique here. 
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Edited by - Phin on 12/03/2007 01:11:08 AM |
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z71offshore
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 01:10:09 AM
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not a bad idea if that is what he is after. alantani is probably killing it fixing/doing maintaince on others people stuff in his free time.
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 Goodies
Why reverse the lugs? I am going to put you on a tuna in the spring that will work that thing over and you are going to wish you had them!
You trying to be come the alantani of the East coast?
MISTAKES
It could be that the purpose of your life is to only serve as a warning to others.
All Rise - 31 Contender Fish Around with a pair of 250 Yamahas
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Phin
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 01:12:43 AM
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Originally posted by z71offshore
not a bad idea if that is what he is after. alantani is probably killing it fixing/doing maintaince on others people stuff in his free time.
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 Goodies
Why reverse the lugs? I am going to put you on a tuna in the spring that will work that thing over and you are going to wish you had them!
You trying to be come the alantani of the East coast?
MISTAKES
It could be that the purpose of your life is to only serve as a warning to others.
All Rise - 31 Contender Fish Around with a pair of 250 Yamahas
Alan told me he was backed up with a month's worth of work when I talked to him in April. Everybody related to any kind of marine service seems to be backed up that time of year.
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Scoutin 4 Goodies
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 07:32:41 AM
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Originally posted by Phin
Alan told me he was backed up with a month's worth of work when I talked to him in April. Everybody related to any kind of marine service seems to be backed up that time of year.
Luke 8:22-25
Wonder if you start doing reel repairs on the side if greg1 will follow you around the site and ride your a$$ everytime you say something?
MISTAKES
It could be that the purpose of your life is to only serve as a warning to others.
All Rise - 31 Contender Fish Around with a pair of 250 Yamahas
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Phin
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 1:54:54 PM
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 Goodies
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Originally posted by Phin
Alan told me he was backed up with a month's worth of work when I talked to him in April. Everybody related to any kind of marine service seems to be backed up that time of year.
Luke 8:22-25
Wonder if you start doing reel repairs on the side if greg1 will follow you around the site and ride your a$$ everytime you say something?
MISTAKES
It could be that the purpose of your life is to only serve as a warning to others.
All Rise - 31 Contender Fish Around with a pair of 250 Yamahas
I don't think he'd say anything until I started showing sheered off antireverse pawls, frames and handles broken in half, or rusted "Anti-rust-bearings," etc. (Those are negative selling tactics).
I will take some more reels apart over the holidays and post reports like this. I'm not an expert, but I do think it could help some people who might want to work on their own reels or just want to understand how certain reels work.. or don't work.
I figure it's of greater use to put these types of things on the site than arguing about whether S.Car should have gone to the Independance Bowl instead of Bama, etc.
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Phin
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 7:58:06 PM
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S4G, I think I will take one of the SX's apart here soon. I have used them the longest of all the Avets I have. You might want to send that one back to me depending on how the other one looks. I'll clean it up for 20 bucks. 
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wjf
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Posted - 12/04/2007 : 10:02:00 AM
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Phin:
Nice post. What is the intended application for that reel? Do you think it is a decent substitute for something like a Shimano or Penn 30? I like the fact it is lighter and smaller. I'm looking for a trolling reel that is lighter/smaller, but with enough line capacity and drag. I use all TLD 25s, but want to add a reel for my way far back line to target marlin while we're trolling for dolphins, wahoos, and whatever else will bite. Would this reel fit the bill?
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Phin
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Posted - 12/04/2007 : 12:56:05 PM
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Phin:
Nice post. What is the intended application for that reel? Do you think it is a decent substitute for something like a Shimano or Penn 30? I like the fact it is lighter and smaller. I'm looking for a trolling reel that is lighter/smaller, but with enough line capacity and drag. I use all TLD 25s, but want to add a reel for my way far back line to target marlin while we're trolling for dolphins, wahoos, and whatever else will bite. Would this reel fit the bill?
WJF
This is going to be long, so I apologize in advance.
This reel can do it. But it may not be best suited for that. To give you an idea of where I feel this reel fits for me... I have Avet Pro EX4/02's and EXW4/02's (which have now been replaced by the stronger Pro 30/2's) set up as my trolling rigs. I have them spooled with 300yds of 80# spectra and as much 50# momoi on top to fill the spools. They are effectively 50 class trolling rigs when set up like that because I can set full power drag anywhere all the way up to 35 pounds, but they are the size of Penn 30T's and 30TWs. I have them set to 25 pounds max strike, and full power is about 30#'s usually. This is because the 50# momoi diamond actually tests out close to 85 or 90#'s. I usually don't push the drag lever up into the 20's unless it's needed anyway. It is there though, and when the reel isn't breaking a sweat it's that much smoother .....
Those Pro series reels are very light compared to others with their strength, but the Avet HX, LX, and JX's are much lighter. I use the HX's to bottom fish with almost exclusively now, and I would use them as short troll rigs as well if I did not already have several of the EX reels. I use the JX to jig with because it is slightly smaller than the HX and more confortable to me. And I use the LX to troll with and bottom fish at times. All the above reels are two speeds, and that's why I prefer them to star drags to bottom fish with despite their being lever drags. The JX does not have quite enough drag to bottom fish deeper water because it won't do 25-30# of drag pressure without the line level being lower on the spool to give it that pressure. The HX has the necessary drag, and it has about the same line capacity as a 4/0 Senator, so it works fine for normal bottom fishing out to 300 or 400'... I have mine spooled all the way with 80# spectra braid so they can be fished with 20-30#s of drag. My JX that I jig with is spooled all the way with 65# braid so that I can fish it with 20-25#s of drag.
When I go to a smaller Avet, I go all the way down to the smallest one, the SX, for heavy inshore, and nearshore. I even pull plugs for kings with them. I have them spooled with 50# spectra, and that gives them a little over 300yds plus whatever mono I have tied on for a topshot if I want.
Here is what I think certain Avet models can be used as a substitute for:
Avet SX - Shimano Calcutta, TLD15/20, 3/0 Senator
Avet MX - I don't own because they have the same drag as the SX with only slightly more line capacity
Avet JX/LX - Shimano Torium/Trinidad 16/20/30, 4/0 or 6/0 Senator, TLD 25, old TLD 30
Avet HX - Shimano Torium/Trinidad 40/50, 4/0 or 6/0 Senator, TLD 30, Penn 30T, Tiagra 20
Avet Pro EXW4/02 - 6/0 or 9/0 Senator, TLD 50, old Penn Int 30, 50, 80, old Tiagra 30, 50, 80
Avet Pro EXW30/2 - TLD II 50, Penn VSW 30/50, Penn VSX30, old Penn 50, 80, 130, Tiagra 30WLRS, 50, old Tiagra 50, 80
Avet Pro EXW50/2 - any Penn or Shimano 50 or 80, and the older 130's
Avet Pro EXW80/2 - any Penn or Shimano period
Avet Pro TRX30/2W - any 30, 50, or maybe an 80 sized reel... the drawback is the line capacity... you can put 130# or 200# hollow braid on it, but you can't get more than 1000yds of line on it without it only being 80# hollow braid.
Avet Pro TRX50/2W - any reel up to 130# class
The key to all the above is using spectra braid in order to have the line capacity to be able to use all the drag the reels offer. Otherwise, they might as well be the same as whatever reel has the same line capacity.
Returning to your question about the HX, you can spool it up with braid and have a lot of line on there. You just don't have the same drag overhead and line capacity as using one of the Pro series Avets though. 30#'s of drag is pushing it for the HX, and I use that kind of drag locked down briefly when setting the hook and getting a fish off the bottom. If I have a fish on that will make several runs even with 30#'s of drag (big snapper, AJ, or shark), then I always try to back off and let the fish get played out instead of stressing the rod and reel as well as the 80# line and whatever leader and knots I have down there.
If you'd feel comfortable using a TLD 25 or 30 as your WB, then the HX will do the same type thing. I'd rather have a bigger reel with stronger line on it for my way back though. Plus... it's kind of hard to watch 200yds of spectra get run over by somebody else while you're working a piece of plywood. It's expensive. On the beefier Pro series reels, you'd have more room to have a lot of mono on top instead. I would also rather troll for dolphin, wahoo, tuna or billfish with one of the EX series reels than the HX because the gearing and drag range are also more suited for trolling. Not to mention you have more drag overhead period. Everything is also just more beefier in the EX reels. Bigger bearings, gears, antireverse, clickers, handles, drag surfaces, etc. The drawback is that the reel weighs a lot more due to the extra beef.
Hope this helps.
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wjf
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Posted - 12/05/2007 : 11:11:53 AM
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Thank you for the thorough response.
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Phin
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Cracker Larry
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Posted - 07/20/2012 : 12:46:22 PM
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Hope this helps.
Great information, helps me a lot Thanks. I've never owned an Avet, but I might next
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dreamin-on
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Posted - 07/20/2012 : 1:12:27 PM
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Rapchizzle
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Posted - 07/20/2012 : 9:15:55 PM
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| That reel looks familiar... I wish I had gotten the second combo as well! I've pulled up 200 lb Goliaths and tons of sharks up to 10 ft on that rod. |
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Phin
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Posted - 07/21/2012 : 10:53:46 PM
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Best fish I ever put on the reel was a 27lb gag, Chris. Think you got me with the Goliath.
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AVET HX5/2 - reversing her lugs - (pictorial)
