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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/16/2008 :  7:06:37 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I refuse to pay $4.99 for a 16 ounce sinker, and I hate having to make them one at a time with a regular mold, so I started experimenting with different medium for large sinkers. I finally got it right today.I have tried concrete, plaster, bondo, all with pvc slips. these work ok, but the lead sticks in the mold. I was pouring all of these molds in a bed of sand. My son said "Why don't you make a mold in the sand".....light bulb goes on and WOW. I poured off about 100 lbs in 16 oz ,24 oz, 36 oz. this is the only way to go. I use wheel weights that I get for free for the stock. give it a try.



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chris V
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  10:28:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit chris V's Homepage Send chris V a Private Message  Reply with Quote
paul
I had a mold I made for 3/4oz egg sinkers.

I used a piece of 2x4. I drilled holes in the 2" side, evenly spaced, down the direct center. I could drill them deeper or wider or both to increase the weight. I then used the table saw and ripped the board down the center of the holes. now I had a 2 piece mold. a bunch of c claps held it together. I stuck a finishing nail in the center of each hole after it was clamped together. when the lead cooled, the nail pulled right out, by hand. I could make 20 sinkers in no time.

I made another mold, same way for 8oz bank style sinkers.
drilled my hole bigger, and deeper. I had a little wire supported above teh holes, kind of like a shower curtain, and would slide swivels on the wire, and they would be suspended in the center of the hole, so when I poured in the lead, half of the swivel was in the lead, half stuck out to tie your line on. I never made very many, my mold would make 8 at a time, and I only used it twice, but I would guess the wood would last 5-10 pours. I used lead from old shower pans under ceramic tile showers, when I did renovation work.

I guess if you were to keep the wood soaked in water or something, it might even last longer

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Palmetto Bug
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  12:34:02 PM  Show Profile Send Palmetto Bug a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you soak your wooden mold in water before you pour molten lead into it, make sure you're wearing a shirt....and goggles, and have a fire extinguisher nearby. It will blow hot lead all over the place.
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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  12:50:55 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
already knew that from the plaster molds. you cant have any moisture at all! I melt about 80 lbs at a time, and I learned the hard way about adding not completly dry lead to the pot. It goes "BOOM" , and gets all over everything. Good way to scare the crap out of the misses.


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Taz
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  7:43:47 PM  Show Profile Send Taz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's a good idea to take a torch and flame brush any lead your adding to a pot of molten lead and your molds before pouring. That will get rid of any moisture and preheat your molds.

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NaClH20
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  8:29:24 PM  Show Profile Send NaClH20 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You guys be careful - - use a breather and avoid the lead fumes. You are messing with some serious risks.
I'll pay somebody else for my weights, although I make a lot of other stuff myself.
good luck, take care,
NaClH20
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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/17/2008 :  8:36:59 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Been pouring my own for over 20 years. Whatever happened to the good old days of leaded gas, lead paint, lead shot. How did we ever make it this far with out dying from lead poisoning....




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23Sailfish
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  08:25:27 AM  Show Profile  Visit 23Sailfish's Homepage Send 23Sailfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sellsfish

I refuse to pay $4.99 for a 16 ounce sinker, and I hate having to make them one at a time with a regular mold, so I started experimenting with different medium for large sinkers. I finally got it right today.I have tried concrete, plaster, bondo, all with pvc slips. these work ok, but the lead sticks in the mold. I was pouring all of these molds in a bed of sand. My son said "Why don't you make a mold in the sand".....light bulb goes on and WOW. I poured off about 100 lbs in 16 oz ,24 oz, 36 oz. this is the only way to go. I use wheel weights that I get for free for the stock. give it a try.




I would love to see how you have this set up. I've wanted to do this for a while now but didn't know that many people around here did it themselves. I guess I should have known you would do it yourself. What do you melt the lead with? One of those electric devices like this: http://www.barlowstackle.com/lead-melting-pots.html or do you have a different method? I want to make up to 20oz but also some small stuff too.

And for the lead, where can you buy it? Or does everyone just use scrap stuff?



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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  09:30:06 AM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ricky, give me a call.....to much to type 926-8612


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A2Z
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  10:22:08 AM  Show Profile Send A2Z a Private Message  Reply with Quote
C'mon Sells,

How about some pics and a short description? Sounds like a good idea.


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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  11:07:29 AM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I use a large cast iron pot, and a turkey cooker base. Turn the heat up untill it sounds like a blast furnace. Fill the pot with as much scrap lead as you can fit into it. Leave the cover off it until all the moisture cooks out (about 15 minutes) put the lid on and let it cook. It takes about 30 minutes to melt 80-100 lbs of lead. I use a frying pan skimmer to pull off all the slag and steel from the wheel weights (it floats). Turn down the heat to low as it doesn't take much to keep it in liquid form. If you are using aluminium molds, open them up and pour molten lead in each side. Let it sit about 3 minutes to pre-heat the mold. I wear welders gloves and use a large bullet ladle for pouring. Strip the lead off the mold and start pouring. If the spout clogs up, then your mold is cold. If you are using sand molds, you can start pouring. It works much better when you have someone placing the wire (I use alum. tig wire for the connection to the lead) in the solidifying lead. The sand molds set in about 1 minute. While we are resetting the sand mold, Ifill all of my other molds, cast iron muffin tin, egg sinkers, bank sinkers, I will post pics next time I burn some lead.



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A2Z
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  11:51:02 AM  Show Profile Send A2Z a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks,

How do you make the sand molds??

I have poured leads before, but have never thought of a sand mold.

Wal-Mart is selling three 6oz banks for $6.52.

My new BASS PRO catalog shows one 8OZ bank for $5.49.....ouch!!

them dang sharks cost me 8-10 8 oz banks last trip alone.


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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  12:15:29 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a large tub of sand (almost completely dry) just enough moisture to compact. use thin wall PVC (schd 20) 3/4 and 1" to punch out holes 3"-5" deep. If you use a dowel or tool handle to poke holes, it will cave in the adjoining rows. use a smaller diameter dowel to tamp the bottom of each hole and pour away. A 1" diameter hole 4" deep makes a 20 oz sinker. a 3/4 makes a 16 oz. I like the muffin pans for making 24's.

I have a bunch of fresh pours in the bed of my truck. If you are in North Charleston, stop by the KIA store and I will show you them.


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Edited by - sellsfish on 01/18/2008 12:17:41 PM
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KRYPTONITE
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  2:04:30 PM  Show Profile Send KRYPTONITE a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i haven't looked for the cheapest price, but punch in lead on e-bay. most of it sells for a dollar a pound and this includes shipping. or you can do like sells and check where you buy your tires and normaly it free if they have some( or real cheap if you slip the man a few dollars.)
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Flatlander
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  4:02:12 PM  Show Profile Send Flatlander a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have 50-70 lbs of lead I want to turn into 8 and 10 oz bank sinkers. If someone has molds, I'll split the sinkers 50-50.


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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/18/2008 :  5:35:13 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a double 8 oz bank mold. sorry no 10 oz.

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PAWLEYSI
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  2:21:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit PAWLEYSI's Homepage Send PAWLEYSI a Private Message  Reply with Quote
has anybody seen or just knows how the little hourglass eyes for clousers are made. i havent seen a mold online anywhere. im at the other end of the scale. 1/32 or 1/16 rather than 32 oz. they run about 15 cents each wholesale so its costing $2+ an ounce. $4 / lb sounds luvly. the guy who pours the big ones for our store is having a hard time getting enough lead.

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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  2:25:51 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I miss the submarine base being here. you use to get pallets of sub ballast (80 lb ingots) at the DRMO auction for pennies. Most scrap yards are selling lead for $1.00 lb.

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sharky
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  3:37:06 PM  Show Profile Send sharky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i just got back from trying to get some lead from a couple of tire stores that use to give it to me.it seems that some company is buying it all up.thee xplanation i got is that the tire weights are going to be made out of something else.so if you can get it now you better.4 places and they are selling it.
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23Sailfish
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  4:05:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit 23Sailfish's Homepage Send 23Sailfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sellsfish

I miss the submarine base being here. you use to get pallets of sub ballast (80 lb ingots) at the DRMO auction for pennies. Most scrap yards are selling lead for $1.00 lb.

"Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him"



I may still have a hookup for that......



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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  4:09:06 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ricky,

FREE LEAD = FREE SINKERS


I like bullet lead to, but most ranges recycle thiers.

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Too Busy
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  4:16:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit Too Busy's Homepage Send Too Busy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sharky
A lot of the tire stores have a contract with Exide (batteries). The Exide man comes in about once a month and picks up the haul. If you go by at the right time, the store owner / manager will escort you out into the bay and let you pick up everything around. You won't get more than a pound that way though.

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sellsfish
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  4:33:53 PM  Show Profile Send sellsfish a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.shawncollinscustoms.com/

check with them for a clouser mold.

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PAWLEYSI
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  6:08:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit PAWLEYSI's Homepage Send PAWLEYSI a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks.
wow that is quite a selection of molds. i didnt see any hourglasses but i bookmarked it and will look again later. they may use a different name. i am not even sure if they are poured or turned from a rod.

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sharky
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Posted - 01/22/2008 :  9:33:48 PM  Show Profile Send sharky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
pawleysi try www.jannsnetcraft.com.i'm not sure they have them.they have about everything else.
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PAWLEYSI
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Posted - 01/23/2008 :  6:07:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit PAWLEYSI's Homepage Send PAWLEYSI a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i have looked at them and several other places that have a lot of molds, but not for the dumbbell eyes. thats what makes me wonder if they are made by some other method. it would be hard to get a good pour through the tiny waist in the hourglass i think. i know the brass ones are turned from a rod and then cut. they may use the same machinery with the lead.

with that kind of markup it would seem like the molds would be popular. $1 /lb or so for lead and $13-$15 /100 -- some of them 1/50 oz. or even smaller. IF you can find the bulk bag. usually it is 20-25 /bag at the high end of the scale. i go through a lot of them since clousers are the #1 fly in salt.i may post this on the fly board to see if any of the longrod supply guys know.

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Edited by - PAWLEYSI on 01/23/2008 6:11:11 PM
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